The Ideal Bracket

noticed how i said in some cases

72-74 ret pallys

71-74 frost dks

71-74 sub rogues or combat rogues

71-74 enh shammies

74 bm hunters

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they lose some secondary stats, but is nowhere near 50% haste, or 40% crit, my crit dropped from 70% to about 50% when i lvled my hunter

they also lose some resil, HOWEVER, they can obtain some game breaking abilities as well, that can make a major difference, including wings, master's call, spirit beast (coming with spirit mend) niff axes, etc

and hunter's are good @ 70

you are forgetting rets, frost dks, and rogues, who are all viable @ 70s

druids are not good @ 70 waaat? which spec? every druid spec can compete @ 70, and feral having some of the top burst with ferocious bite
 
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Ferals are good at 70. Boomkin and Resto have fine damage/healing output but SEVERELY lack survivability mechanisms. Getting cyclone at 74 is huge.

Also of those classes listed. Sure they are powerful at 74. However, still not as OP as a 70 frost mage so its more like they are balancing out the mages than anything. None of them are game breaking. Rets are only better at 74 because of how bad they suck at 70.

Not like any of this matters anyways for 70 OR 10 since Pandaria will come along and change everything.....except for the fact that 70's get games.....and 10's don't. Hence it is better. Believe it or not peopel roll twinks to do actual pvp.
 
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if played right restos have amazing survival, as well as mana coservation. boomy's have high burst as well as VERY viable offheals

frost dk's with dual niff's have higher burst than frost mages
ret pally with a wing's instant exo combo have higher burst than frost mages
74 bm hunters can beat frost mages, with their self heal, and the burst they have can beat a mage down. 74 bm hunters have unbelievable survivability
 
threesets said:
if played right restos have amazing survival, as well as mana coservation. boomy's have high burst as well as VERY viable offheals

frost dk's with dual niff's have higher burst than frost mages
ret pally with a wing's instant exo combo have higher burst than frost mages
74 bm hunters can beat frost mages, with their self heal, and the burst they have can beat a mage down. 74 bm hunters have unbelievable survivability
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Eh I have a resto druid (along with one of every other healing class + a mage + A hunter) and its survivability even when stacking resil is terrible compared to my other healers. No comparison really. Easily my weakest healer. I lvled it to 74 for cyclone and its funner but I would still say my weakest heals.

Can't really speak to DK's. Never seen a good one in action. I do have dual niffs may need to make one to try it out.

Ret palis do have a lot of burst but its not constant and not sure if they could ever beat a frost mage 1 vs 1. I would just spellsteal or iceblock/run away till wings are gone. Then pali dead.

Also....hunters may be "viable" if you are at the top of your game. I know on all my toons the first player I target is the hunter for the free kill....and I rarely play my hunter because its a miserable experience. Easily one of the weakest classes at 70....I would put it on par with warriors but above warlocks.
 
well you are doing something wrong, cause resto druids can heal thru burst rather well and can shift out of mana burn, if you cannot los it, allowing you to keep more mana, allowing you to heal more, as well as having the ability to bash, keep FF on rogues, etc

and for dk's yes a frost dk with dual niff's can burst anybody to hell

thank you for also proving my point, by stating in your opinion that not every healing spec or dps spec @ 70 can compete up to par with other classes


In conclusion: @ 70, not every class can be viewed as viable, and some classes at lvl 74 can destroy lvl 70s

however in the 10-14 bracket, every class's damage and healing spec is comparable to the other specs in terms of dps, and heals

while level 14's sacrifice damage in terms of A SHIT TON loss of secondary stats (alot more than level 74s give up) for a slight increase in survivability

when some classes gain damage AND sometimes survivability, by leveling up to 74, giving them an advantage over the minimum level for the bracket (70)

level 14's have no clear advantage over the minimum level for the bracket (10)
 
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There are two different issues going on here, that have nothing to do with each other.

The first issue is the potential fun of the 10-14 bracket, which is huge. Threesets gave many great examples. With BoAs, gearing is not only easy, but also poses some distinct, critical variations. That said, getting profession capped is harder in this bracket then other levels, and has a greater impact. Getting an AGM is harder, and has a greater impact. Finding the BoEs you want takes more time, and has a greater impact. Beyond all that, choosing what level you want makes a serious impact as well.

The second issue is bracket life, which is nil. I'll take Wafflecakes' examples a step farther: Not only do four brackets get daily games, but three midbrackets currently get weekly games, and two of them play multiple times a week, for months at a time. 10s have significant numbers and could easily get XP-off games, but have a well-established reputation for exploiting XP-on games instead of organizing XP-off games. There are more twinked active 10s then there are twinked active 49s, but 49s get more XP-off games in a night than 10s get in a month.

So, two completely different issues. Yes, until sustained leadership coalesces to make the most of that opportunity and until enough 10s demonstrate some desire to go beyond greifing people, the 10-14 XP-off bracket will remain dormant. But there are indeed knowledgeable, skilled, fun 10s out there. A 10-14 XP-off bracket could be an absolute blast, and the in-game experience of duels, arenas, and XP-off games I've seen at 10 all support that.

Probably the most helpful thing to remember is that many players participate in multiple brackets, and framing one bracket as better than another or "ideal" is bound to ruffle feathers. The weaknesses of other brackets isn't what gives 10s their potential. 10s can stand on their own virtues, if they so choose.

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thank you for your opinion bwappo. I know many people who have 10 twinks, but refuse to que on xp off games for the reason "they will not pop". of course they will not pop, because to get a que to pop, every single person who ques makes a difference. This is the biggest problem, and the reason why ques to not pop.
 
threesets said:
well you are doing something wrong, cause resto druids can heal thru burst rather well and can shift out of mana burn, if you cannot los it, allowing you to keep more mana, allowing you to heal more, as well as having the ability to bash, keep FF on rogues, etc

and for dk's yes a frost dk with dual niff's can burst anybody to hell

thank you for also proving my point, by stating in your opinion that not every healing spec or dps spec @ 70 can compete up to par with other classes


In conclusion: @ 70, not every class can be viewed as viable, and some classes at lvl 74 can destroy lvl 70s

however in the 10-14 bracket, every class's damage and healing spec is comparable to the other specs in terms of dps, and heals

while level 14's sacrifice damage in terms of A SHIT TON loss of secondary stats (alot more than level 74s give up) for a slight increase in survivability

when some classes gain damage AND sometimes survivability, by leveling up to 74, giving them an advantage over the minimum level for the bracket (70)

level 14's have no clear advantage over the minimum level for the bracket (10)
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Yet 70's still get games.....still being the better bracket :)

Also your idea that every class at 10 is viable is still a truckload of horseshit. There is no logical reason why that would be true. Makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth would 10's be the exception to what had been true since WoW launced? That balance is really impossible? Not to mention its all moot since everything is changing come Pandaria and any balance (whether good or not) is going to be shot to hell)


But I think this is going no where so bowing out. Its obvious you believe that 10's are the perfect master race capable of no wrong and intrinsically superior. Keep believeing that while I play brackets that get games.
 
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ok tell me a class that is not viable at level 10. there is no class that hits like a wet noodle.... non. lock? lock and haste is amazing as well as spamming drain life to keep yourself up. ele sham has amazing lightning bolt earth shock combos, as well as earthshock thunderstorm combos. any mage spec is viable. frost wil the increased crit to a frozen target. fire mages stacking haste and spamming pyro. arcane mage hitting 350 with arcane barage crits. dont need to say anything about priest. warriors are one of the top damage and bursts in the bracket. fury and arms both have big crits, and can crit for 550 with crusader. ret pally's are like warriors with big hits.

let me know if you have a class or spec that doesnt do well. with the way haste and crit scale, any spec has the potential to do amazing damage.
 
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Beats on fourteens is recruiting more cheaters to hack the game.

This thread/image/poster screams "please come cheat with us". Cheaters, exploiters...We all know Behsten is getting hundreds of BJs a day on Medivh. That room right there, is an orgy 24/7.
It's your way of saying "oh well, the fastest way to pvp is lvl 10 and cheating, because lvl 1 is stupid since you can't battleground. So instead of playing legit at 19, please come cheat with us".
And "lvl 10 is balanced", I almost thought you were joking before I saw your guild name. Yea sure lvl 10 is so balanced, and you can proove it because you pvping vs fully/equally geared players on a daily basis. You guys must be sweating. And ofc a priest in particular is balanced. And sure you also have lvl 10 exp off activity to proove it.
What a joke. 2 buttons on top of that.

ToU, ToS renouncers and cheaters that's all you are. and that's all I see through that topic. I can't believe this makes the front page. Oh actually, I do. This game needs more cheaters. And Behsten needs more BJs.

ps: Did you get a promotion/thumbs up in your guild for putting that particular image? I know you did. That's your daily view when you're playing, I can understand why you are fond of him after all you have done for him.
 
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donnie I have not been in a exploited bg for about 2 months, so................................

I based my balance off of wargames and duels of fully bis people, so..........................

and I have had 5k of my 17k hk's from when there wasn't xp in bgs, so quit acting like i use the exploit every second I am on

and i just factioned horde a week ago, so onv you don't know much of anything
 
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Twinkinfo seems to be mostly full of hive minding circle jerk elitist downies unwilling to leave their comfort zone.

A new bracket as easy to get new players involved in would be great.
The current 10s are in XP on mostly yes. I understand that you all are afraid of putting the slightest ammount of effort into anything new. And heven forbid you play something with out grand fathered gear. How would anyone know you were the elite player?

Bottom line you kids are too trapped in the past and would hate to experience anything that you can't crutch class combos and had to learn to play strategic.

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The current 10s are in XP on mostly yes.
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Mostly. /chuckle

threesets said:
so you say I use 2 buttons, but yet bring up 19s being legit?
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19s, are 3 buttons so that make them automatically cool. You can't argue with 50% more buttons.
More seriously I said legit because 19s for 99.9% of them don't use the cheat, that's all I meant.

No offense, I don't know who is who, I just see Beats on Fourteens, and I know what's going on in this guild. So really, don't take it too personal.
 
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You would be surprised how many 19s have used it in the past when farming The arathi basin achievements
 
So... recruitment thread to get people interested in a bracket that has potential if more people moved to it?
 
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