39 Spriest and Haste

So i've been hearing both from threads and people in game that haste just isn't a viable option because you can't get enough of it to make it matter. I thought that sounded a bit odd since I saw a fair amount of haste gear. So I decided to make a chardev.



chardev 8 - WoW Cataclysm



The char has over 3k health, 7.2% crit and 14.4% haste. The Spellpower is a little low because it is missing BoA weapon but you can choose BoA staff or SoJ over that staff at a loss of 1.9% haste. You could also choose to "downgrade" the neck to the 29 tumult neck which would put you at 15.27% haste. The bracer enchant could also be changed to spell power if you think 3k is too much health.



Even if you chose to drop the weapon you are sitting at over 10% haste which is more than some of the top rated shadow priests at 85. I know the comparison between 85 and 39 isn't an exact science but it still seems like a pretty good amount of haste. I also made a crit stacking chardev which i won't bother linking since its almost the same gear as any crit stacking caster out there which ends at around 15% crit, 0% haste, and less health. So why aren't people at least trying out trading 8% crit for 14% haste?



***Edit***

I changed Heart of Noxxion to Emissary's Watch because I didn't see that trinket before. Also, I somehow completely forgot about putting the chardev into shadowform. Now the haste is up to 21.59%



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This is a really good question. Add in the BoA staff and you're still at just under 20% haste. I'd like to hear from 39s who know their preists, because at 3K health, this sounds like a viable build.

Well looks like no one else is too interested lol. Maybe it's because there aren't too many spriests running around these days? At any rate, I think I'll try this out for myself. However, it will require me to level and gear a priest but I'll get on it and let you know how it goes. I also won't have access to BoA staff until 4.1 drops : (. But is it just me or is 21% a fuck ton of haste? lol

well, i play shadow in 39th and haste stacking is just not worth it.

go stack stam and int, try to use crit over haste aswell.

!Gavo

Have you tried haste before? And how much haste did you try out? I'm not calling you a liar but I don't see how it would be not worth it. Faster casts, faster dot ticks, and a lower global cooldown all seem like benefits over crit which is rng burst, especially at 16% which is what my crit build ended at. I think the one problem i envision is running oom too fast. Or did you just really not notice a difference in damage between tick speeds? Although 20% haste is double what most 85 spriests run at and they rave about haste.

now I cant really speak for cata talents and stuff, but pre cata shadowpriests had a major mana issue. Wouldnt you go oom insanely fast when stacking haste?

I tryed haste, run like 17.5% and it just changed nothing for me.

Mana still is an issue for our only "mana-regen" would be the the major glyph with 12% mana after swd kill, but cmon....

if you go for that much haste you just sacrifice so much int/stam at least if you dont like crits.

your passive dmg is not what killes healer, its a nice 1.8k mindblast followed by 1.3k sdw crits while silence is up, but thats just my2cents

I'm going to guess that spriests have mana issues whether they stack haste or crit since they have 0 means of mana regen. I'm well aware that crits can have some pretty devastating effects but how reliable are crits for spreists? My crit stacking build only got to a max of 17% crit and that was sacrificing stam for crit. They also have no +crit talents so the chances of you getting back to back crits on someone are pretty slim and unreliable. When I play my 39 ret I have over 30% crit and I rarely crit someone to death in a stun. As far as the comment about sacrificing spell power, I'm not sure how thats possible. There are no haste enchants and obviously gems are not in question so the haste and crit build both come out with nearly the same spellpower. And my haste set actually had more health than my crit build. Either way I'll probably make both builds since there is no point in not doing it.

Boa staff over that anyday.

Yeh I know BoA staff is far superior to the haste staff and as mentioned in a previous post it would be switched out. The chardev was just displaying the maximum amount of haste possible outside of putting on BoA cloak and downgrading to a lvl 29 neck.

This could get even more interesting if it turns out the Cloak of Coordination becomes available for 39s. No stats on the cloak, but cata enchants to choose from include 70 spell penetration, 50 int, or 65 crit rating.

I think the cloak is available to 39's but I think getting honored with your guild at 39 might take about a year and a half worth of doing the 7 dailies available lol.

Imo not worth the time. When you get it, you will prob only have it for a month until they nerf it.

I'm gonna throw this up here, because I'm not sure if I'm going to reactivate my account, and it would be a shame to see this chardev go to waste.



Shadowpriests are currently one of the untapped resources of the 39 world. People don't realize just how good they are for 2 reasons:



1) Most priests spec disc.

2) The people who do play shadow have absolutely no clue how to gear. They're all just disc priests that spec shadow and expect to do well.



Here is the perfect chardev:



chardev 8 - WoW Cataclysm



Please note that the 150 health to chest enchant is not included in the health, so the actual health of this chardev with fort is 2943.



Relevant stats:



2943 health (with fort)

4597 mana

381 spell power (with inner fire)

4.4% spell hit

20 spell penetration

15.79% haste (with mind quickening)

16.97% crit





If you must have more health, you can trade out a trinket slot for an AGM, but with PWS being so strong, I don't think it's necessary. If you're comfortable with less health, you can swap in 12 int to bracer instead of 12 stamina.

Well you really only traded a few pieces out, mainly the trinkets which I would love to have. However, I really don't think I'm going to farm almost 5k JP for them ><. Although, it might be a good idea to switch out one of the Eyes for an AGM and then switch the fortitude to bracers for 12 int? You get the same amount of stats but trade the 2% mana proc for the on use AGM bubble. The chardev looks really good tho. You also took skinning over Engi/Herbalism. Was that just for stats sake or would you really trade engineering or the awesome haste buff for a little over 1% crit?



Also, I'm going to be xfering some plate BoA's over to my ally twink server and was trying to decide if I wanted to farm for another Headmaster's Charge or if I should just buy the GSOJ with honor. Is it really worth the 2% crit difference or should i just save my time and miss the 2% crit?

Well the Chardev from Okton looks pretty ideal to me and gives strong all round stats. I also agree with LadyVache about trading the bracer enchant and one trinket for AGM. That makes a pretty perfect SP imo with those changes.



Also as the legs are BoE, I think you are stuck with 32 armor patch rather than 40 (which requires it to be BoE, I believe).

Well the reason I chose the 2 discerned eyes of the beast as trinkets is because the 2% mana on kill effects stack, so having 2 of them is like a miniature mana battery. I'd definately recommend getting an AGM as well, but I would only use it once every 15 minutes when the shield is available.



As far as professions, I took crit just for the sake of stats. For competitive bgs, engineering will be your best bet so that you can use bombs to get a clutch heal, or get some breathing room for one last MB to finish someone off. Herbalism is also legit, but I rarely use procs like that on cooldown. I end up trying to save them for times when I really think they'll be needed, and so they go unused quite frequently. As a result, I usually prefer passive stats.



That chardev is the one I would make if I had unlimited resources and doesn't take into account farming time etc. You can get the inherited staff of jordan if you like, but your offensive stats won't be as high because you will be trading int and crit rating for hit and resilience. You also have to keep in mind that you'll have to change your belt, because you will no longer need the spirit for the extra hit rating. In fact, I would actually recommend dropping the twisted faith talent entirely because you'll have all the hit you need from surefooted and the BoA staff. You'll be able to pick up phantasm instead so you can fade out of snares.



I think resilience is largely underrated for 39, so if you decide to go with the BoA jordan staff, I'd look into stacking a bit more resil.



Check out this profile:



chardev 8 - WoW Cataclysm



Relevant stats:



2753 health (with fort)

4222 mana

356 Spell Power (with inner fire)

4.82% spell hit

20 spell penetration

16.86% haste (with mind quickening)

15.63% crit

8.58% dmg reduction from resilience



Although the stats look a little low by comparison at first, realize that you have 8.58% damage reduction from resilience. While the health pool is only 2753, with resilience factored in, your effective health becomes almost 3k.



2753 X 1.0858 = 2989.2 health



Once you take into account the fact that you'll be shielding yourself a few times before you die, and you may be getting some heals, that damage reduction from the resilience will really start to shine.



MrDoobry, good catch with the armor kits, didn't notice it.



Edit: I made one or two changes to the resil chardev in the last 10 minutes since I made this post.

What would be a suggested helm if BoA isn't available, Green Lens?

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What would be a suggested helm if BoA isn't available, Green Lens?

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