70 sub rogue questions

Could someone point me in the right direction on how to learn sub..or the spec I should be useing, I'm more of a combat person but, me and my arena team partner have been queueing for arena and getting this asshole hunter and disc priest and we are also 1825 rateing in 2's but, this disc priest and hunter are really irking us and we think sub might be the answer to handling it, could anyone possibly point me in the direction on sub spec?

My mate uses this sub spec: Talents & Glyphs - Game - World of Warcraft



I've been playing a variation of the spec in 2's (with another sub), but would use the above spec if I were'nt with another sub rogue.



Hunter's shouldn't be really posing you a problem though to be honest providing you can chain cc the disc, they go down in no time in my experience.

Watch every woundman, reckful video and pay attention, u should learn some tricks.

it also helps if u practice alot adn get to kno the positioning and having 2.2k rogue main and having woundmanlol on ur server like me lol

Well, its just that I can't even catch up to the hunter as he lays frost traps and stupid discp riest just mind controls my holy pally partner and she is not MCed she is either feared or iceblocked, since the priest just keeps repeating and with that stupid OP bubble they have, if I get ti down she just puts it back up, though I did try sub spec yesterday a 2 in the morning and we made a comeback and raped them, hehe thanks for all the helpful comments!

imo tell ur pally to roll ret or prot seeing how prot does good dam and doesnt died. ret has the better burst. adn wat r u opening with , who r u opening on?

Tatlee said:

Well, its just that I can't even catch up to the hunter as he lays frost traps and stupid discp riest just mind controls my holy pally partner and she is not MCed she is either feared or iceblocked, since the priest just keeps repeating and with that stupid OP bubble they have, if I get ti down she just puts it back up, though I did try sub spec yesterday a 2 in the morning and we made a comeback and raped them, hehe thanks for all the helpful comments!

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You'll be happy to hear that the stupid OP bubble is being nerfed to just 15 seconds, making it much easier to catch your opponent out with no bubble up

Tatlee said:

Well, its just that I can't even catch up to the hunter as he lays frost traps and stupid discp riest just mind controls my holy pally partner and she is not MCed she is either feared or iceblocked, since the priest just keeps repeating and with that stupid OP bubble they have, if I get ti down she just puts it back up, though I did try sub spec yesterday a 2 in the morning and we made a comeback and raped them, hehe thanks for all the helpful comments!

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To begin with ur playing a retarded setup, paladin rogue just doesn't have the right synergy. Maybe at 70 it does cause of exorcism I haven't tried.

Ur hunter can freedom the traps, if ur pala eats a big cc chain like scatter -> trap -> fear -> mind control, then ur just doing it wrong. If u see the hunter closing in for a scatter on ur healer (which he should cause ur healer is hugging a pillar I hope) u should already be ready to counter it, either by giving ur pala the time to run by a shadowstep shiv, or just a ss shd cheap shot or ss vannish cheapshot or ss gouge whatever u have available. Ur setup is also bad cause u got low CC, which if ur a not so geared rogue will make it almost impossible to get kills against a decent priest. What U have to do is switch fastly everytime the priest doesn't have shield, just a shadowstep garrote gouge kidney blind then go for a sstep shd cheap on the hunter should either force a trinket, pain suppresion, or both. But before u do all this, go farm gear cause urs is really shitty, then tell ur paladin to get 600 resi then try again

General rules for Subtlety Rogue vs. Marksman Hunter:



Open without Shadowstep, only Premeditation;

He most likely Disengages, that's where you Shadowstep;

If he uses Readiness and again Disengages, your counters, eg., are:



- Cloak of Shadows (if you have Serpent Sting, Hunter's Mark, or such) -> Vanish;

- Cloak of Shadows (if on ice trap or such) -> Sprint;

- Preperation (-> Vanish) -> Shadowstep as a last resort.



You play with a paladin so make sure of the Hand of Freedom alot.



It isn't easy to kite a proper rogue as a hunter.

Most of the problems will be solved after you respec to sub. Also as said above, holy paladin might not be ideal partner for you. Though it doesn't matter that much at 70 lvl.



Anyway, against Dpriest Hunter. I'd first lure hunter to use his scatter shot/silencing shot so you can switch to priest freely. Hunter doesn't really have any other abilities stop your damage if you're sitting on priest. Anyway, after hunter has CD on his scatter shadowstep behind disc, open with 5sec garrote silence followed by gouge and after that have your paladin HoJ the priest so you can save rest of the combo points for damage. Also it's important that your paladin is assisting you with exorcism spam, your damage alone is not enough to kill the priest. Your paladin can pop aura mastery if hunter has silencing shot up to prevent getting interrupted during exo spam.

The priest shouldn't be able to survive damage of you both. If everything goes as planned the priest will trinket or pop pain supression. Repeat until he is out of cooldowns.





Or other way, you could try to go for hunter really hard. It's important that you clear priest of his PS/trinket because I doubt that you can get kill through 'em. Blind the priest, followed by shadow stance sap and then gouge. The priest should either trinket or use pain supression. After that you could do the switch to priest once your Sdance is up again.

Remember to have your paladin freedom you also, if there's freezing(?) trap near the priest when you're switching.



Also as sub it's much more easier to interrupt priest's MC. And also, remember that hunters don't have trap launcher yet(or do they?) meaning that he has to get near paladin if he wants to get him trapped. Now, it's your duty to eat the trap. Try to sprint/step to hunter and run on top of your paladin, if you're lucky it's you who is trapped and your paladin can just cleanse it.



Everything always looks easy on paper....

But anyway you can clearly win them. And best way to learn subtlety is just to play and play. You could play few BGs with your paladin, searching for 2v2 situations where you can train your commination. Though it's not bad to check some high rated rogue videos and AJ forums for some tricks. Though keep in mind that you won't master those tricks in one day.



I hope this helped somehow. If I had more time I'd write more detailed reply.

Friyn said:

And also, remember that hunters don't have trap launcher yet(or do they?) meaning that he has to get near paladin if he wants to get him trapped. Now, it's your duty to eat the trap. Try to sprint/step to hunter and run on top of your paladin, if you're lucky it's you who is trapped and your paladin can just cleanse it.

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They do have trap launcher.

Raeburn said:

They do have trap launcher.

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Then it's a bit trickier. Have your paladin shout in ventrilo if he's scattered. And if anyhow possible, try to sprint to him. Though use your own eyes, if there's freezing trap between you can the paladin you won't make it in time.

Other way is to gouge/stun the hunter when paladin is scattered, so hunter cannot shoot the trap in time and your paladin is able to get away.

Friyn said:

Most of the problems will be solved after you respec to sub. Also as said above, holy paladin might not be ideal partner for you. Though it doesn't matter that much at 70 lvl.



Anyway, against Dpriest Hunter. I'd first lure hunter to use his scatter shot/silencing shot so you can switch to priest freely. Hunter doesn't really have any other abilities stop your damage if you're sitting on priest. Anyway, after hunter has CD on his scatter shadowstep behind disc, open with 5sec garrote silence followed by gouge and after that have your paladin HoJ the priest so you can save rest of the combo points for damage. Also it's important that your paladin is assisting you with exorcism spam, your damage alone is not enough to kill the priest. Your paladin can pop aura mastery if hunter has silencing shot up to prevent getting interrupted during exo spam.

The priest shouldn't be able to survive damage of you both. If everything goes as planned the priest will trinket or pop pain supression. Repeat until he is out of cooldowns.





Or other way, you could try to go for hunter really hard. It's important that you clear priest of his PS/trinket because I doubt that you can get kill through 'em. Blind the priest, followed by shadow stance sap and then gouge. The priest should either trinket or use pain supression. After that you could do the switch to priest once your Sdance is up again.

Remember to have your paladin freedom you also, if there's freezing(?) trap near the priest when you're switching.



Also as sub it's much more easier to interrupt priest's MC. And also, remember that hunters don't have trap launcher yet(or do they?) meaning that he has to get near paladin if he wants to get him trapped. Now, it's your duty to eat the trap. Try to sprint/step to hunter and run on top of your paladin, if you're lucky it's you who is trapped and your paladin can just cleanse it.



Everything always looks easy on paper....

But anyway you can clearly win them. And best way to learn subtlety is just to play and play. You could play few BGs with your paladin, searching for 2v2 situations where you can train your commination. Though it's not bad to check some high rated rogue videos and AJ forums for some tricks. Though keep in mind that you won't master those tricks in one day.



I hope this helped somehow. If I had more time I'd write more detailed reply.

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Did u even ever play a rogue, paladin or hunter? Or 70 arena?? Lols

Or World of Warcraft?

Yeah, rank 1 in WotLK @ 70 as Dpriest&Ret until my friend quit. Also 2550 exp. on my main.



How about you? What game have you playing? World of Tunnelvision?



Oh and I'm so sorry if I was mistaken with some trap names and lagged irl when spelling Shadow 'stance' instead of 'dance'.

Friyn said:

Yeah, rank 1 in WotLK @ 70 as Dpriest&Ret until my friend quit. Also 2550 exp. on my main.



How about you? What game have you playing? World of Tunnelvision?



Oh and I'm so sorry if I was mistaken with some trap names and lagged irl when spelling Shadow 'stance' instead of 'dance'.

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Are u this dumb? It wasnt bold cause of the typo, it was cause u don't even know sap and gouge have dr, go shove ur r1 s5 ret pala faceroll up urs pls lollllllllllll

Gihipoxu said:

Are u this dumb? It wasnt bold cause of the typo, it was cause u don't even know sap and gouge have dr, go shove ur r1 s5 ret pala faceroll up urs pls lollllllllllll

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/facepalm and having DR means....? You really are fucking stupid scrub. Probably just another 1.2k rated failure who twinks because he cannot be successfull in endgame PvP.

Even though Sap DRs with gouge, who fucking cares? It still doesnt change the fact that you can keep him off the game for few seconds or interrupt his cast, meaning that you've got kick left for next one.



Oh and btw, when did I say that I played Dpriest Ret in s5? Sorry mate, it was season 8 so it wasn't faceroll. Ok it was, because all we faced were terribaddies.

Sounds like u mad?

Sounds like u mad?

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How can he take you seriously, when you quit your 70 druid because mage comps could counter you with Spellsteal :/.

Not op anymore; and afraid of losing ur r1 so u quit while you were ahead >.<.

Not saying your bad; but if your going to comment on 70 threads why not help ppl instead of shitting on everyones proposed ideas.

Posting 1 liners to provoke rage isnt helping anyone.

On topic : Im leveling a rogue atm but hes only in the lvl 50s; so i dont have the full scope on hunters at 70; but my general rule of thumb as statedearlier is to save ShS for the disengage. And after i ShS try get a kidney then dismantle.

Then depending on my hp open with am anbush if my dr on stun is too high; then recuup and gouge.

Evasion, 25% so why not . The traps i trinket and blind. Then vanish and stun lock.

As i said im facing 50s so i dont have the full scope on how other ppl respond at 70.

examinerEU said:

How can he take you seriously, when you quit your 70 druid because mage comps could counter you with Spellsteal :/.

Not op anymore; and afraid of losing ur r1 so u quit while you were ahead >.<.

Not saying your bad; but if your going to comment on 70 threads why not help ppl instead of shitting on everyones proposed ideas.

Posting 1 liners to provoke rage isnt helping anyone.

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Hehe sounds like a good reason to quit

I was just concerned so i asked