Dodge twink(s)

Volsci

Volsci

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A good afternoon to everyone!



I posted about this awhile back, but was wondering what all you guys think of dodge twinks? Would you consider them viable in wsg? (Pugs, doubtfully premades). I rolled one awhile back I havebeen drifting back and forth from, but decided I wanted the shoulderpads from midsummer so I worked on it pretty hard this week (more so yesterday, when I realized it didn't end next sunday and I still needed 100 burning blossom's.)

And then today I got LFH, which I have been after for almost a year and a half now. As it would happen, I get it on a level 10 >.>



But anyway, I am not quite BiSed yet. I still need the ghostlands bow, and "one" rings. I am missing the RFC bracers but those will be easy to get.. plus I need to get AGM still. Anyway, I am only missing a few things agility wise, and I have a darkmoon vest of agility for when I really feel like I need it.



>> +4 stats or +15 def rating on the chest? I read something about def rating getting nerfed on non-mail/plate classes.

>>As of now, I have 54.82% dodge and 39.3% crit, but I have not gotten skinning yet (seeing as I had eng before, so I am working on skinning now.)

>> the final goals are ~60% dodge and around 50% crit.



It has been a blast to play, but I am mainly doing it for being bored of my 19 ( and 80 ), and think it would be humerous to see a 10 with the wsg master ach.

Backing into a corner I can have 105% dodge, which makes me immune to melee.. which I thought sounded helpful. My armory / stats are listed in the signature.



Anyway, I just want your opinions on dodge twinks (in general), what you think about them being in the 10-19 bracket xp offs, whatever little rants << and why to those rants, anything really. Whatever input you feel is necessary.



Sincerely,

Lejend/volsci
 
Look up diminishing returns on wowhead, that 60% dodge is not an actual number. Dodge twinks don't work these days.
 
I knew about diminishing returns, I am still trying to figure out how much I lose per hit.

They are really not viable at ALL? On a crit (around 1 in 2 chance) I can hit 150-200, which is close to my 19.
 
My rogue have have 55.43% dodge, 65.03% crit and still 838hp.. if i remembe right max dodge was 63% but hp would be too low.



Edit: my rogue is non BoA
 
They really are not viable, the more dodge rating (and dodge from agi/ defense) you get the worse it becomes. Your actual dodge is somewhere around 30% max. Plus you get crit more often and harder by 19s. I also don't believe the 150-200 crits against 19s since their armor in relation to your damage is so much higher. A lot of people seem to be trying 10s again these days, I lol everytime I see one cause they are nothing more than a free kill for any of my 19s.
 
Basically the only way a lower level could ever have any benefit over a higher level would be because they are able to reach a certain cap. This WAS the case with 100% dodge twinks until they got nerfed. Nowadays there is no way you have an advantage for being a lower level. 10s are fun, but in no way do they offer more than a 19. Not in damage, not in survivability. It's just the haste, the crit and the epicness of being level 10 that makes people play level 10 twinks.
 
Rayu said:
Basically the only way a lower level could ever have any benefit over a higher level would be because they are able to reach a certain cap. This WAS the case with 100% dodge twinks until they got nerfed. Nowadays there is no way you have an advantage for being a lower level. 10s are fun, but in no way do they offer more than a 19. Not in damage, not in survivability. It's just the haste, the crit and the epicness of being level 10 that makes people play level 10 twinks.
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I remember those days and so do many other users that either still play or have retired... I myself still twink at level 10, but I hardly play on them officially. Its mostly for shits and giggles when I can kill a bad rogue or a bad warrior.



If you want more dodge, I suggest investing in a +1 agi bow that comes from ghostlands, a +4 agi pair of pants that comes from a rare mob around the cow area, +2 agility bracers.
 
I have most of the cookie cutter BiS's, I don't know why I didn't have the bow equipped. I macro my gear so I might have forgotten to take it off.

I hear in cata they are making ap come from agility, which I have near 125 atm, still getting a little more. The plan is to get all of my gear from instances right now before cata, that way I have it all. If the agi buff turns out to be a decent buff on dodge twinks, then cool beans, I'll stay. If not I'll have everything I need and get to have 9 leves of funtime in the leveler's bracket, lol :3



For clarification, does it even START at 60% or w/e your dodge is, and then go down with each hit? Or is it really a lesser number from the very beginning?



Happy WoWing,

~clover/volsci
 
It's a less number from the very beginning, the character sheet is a meaningless number basically. You could try a haste build with dual fiery and shadow oils on wingblade and talonstrike, that might be more fun. Defensive stats are pretty worthless though imo since if you get focused you die anyway.
 
Rivfader said:
It's a less number from the very beginning, the character sheet is a meaningless number basically. You could try a haste build with dual fiery and shadow oils on wingblade and talonstrike, that might be more fun. Defensive stats are pretty worthless though imo since if you get focused you die anyway.
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... If it is a very low number to begin with then how come I could rock around with 86% dodge way back when and faceroll 19's twinks? Eh, who cares... At least you can pop evasion and not die for a good chunk of time if you know how to play
 
He meant does DR mean that your dodge chance is reduced each time you dodge. The answer is no, your actual dodge chance is below what your character sheet shows now.
 
Cyww. said:
S KEY FTW!
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Never learned to back strife eh?



Dodge twinking is still fun, but I think +10 haste on gloves and dual fiery and the fastest daggers alive at level 10 + haste buffs is pretty sick too.
 
CIHC said:
Never learned to back strife eh?



Dodge twinking is still fun, but I think +10 haste on gloves and dual fiery and the fastest daggers alive at level 10 + haste buffs is pretty sick too.
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Fiery is a ppm -_-
 
I remember when my 19 had 73% dodge and my level 10 had 103% dodge. sadly, because of the nerf, dodge is pretty much useless accept for the first few hits. a level 10 with 60% dodge wouldnt last very long. Even with back strife i find it useless.



lol@ my meadow ruings still in my bags
 
Tonkks said:
I remember when my 19 had 73% dodge and my level 10 had 103% dodge. sadly, because of the nerf, dodge is pretty much useless accept for the first few hits. a level 10 with 60% dodge wouldnt last very long. Even with back strife i find it useless.



lol@ my meadow ruings still in my bags
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You need to reread how DR for dodge/parry works, you sound like crilicillin with his(her?) laughable suggestion of using Theif's Blade with it's fast weapon speed to "remove layers of dodge".



Come on guys, game mechanics are not hard to understand. DRs and PPMs are pretty basic stuff.
 
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