Queues alread 9m long and growing :/

"20s need to adapt or die" is pretty rich from a bunch of people who have spent 2 years crying about their precious 27s but never made any effort to get a scene going. The audacity to now latch onto a bracket and activity built and nurtured by 20s and demand that we continue to fuel your games while preaching like you somehow overcame adversity to play your twinks again... just complete lol
 
I think its rich 20 twinks are complaining about being wrecked by 29s in the bracket when 29s have less of a power advantage over them than the retail levelers 20s farmed for years.
 
I think its rich 20 twinks are complaining about being wrecked by 29s in the bracket when 29s have less of a power advantage over them than the retail levelers 20s farmed for years.
To disprove what you just stated, I mostly do arenas and I see lvl 27~ or even lower lvlers constantly nuking twinks all the times. Rarely (unless its a hunter twink) its unmatched lvler vs twink, unless ofc its some clueless feral druid
 
I think its rich 20 twinks are complaining about being wrecked by 29s in the bracket when 29s have less of a power advantage over them than the retail levelers 20s farmed for years.

Too be fair if you are not playing an arcane mage/boom/or hunter you are getting wrecked anyway at 29 regardless if you jumped on that wagon or not... and don't think you are not... if those guys are not on your team you are just gonna get slapped. Lot's of alliance kids have 29s and then stand behind those guys in a game and think they are doing work.. when really they are just background noise on their Melee/Healer.

29s just took some of the problem specs and ramped them up... everybody else did not really "get a win". Hunters/Boom/Arcane just went from 1x to 2x... something like a Ret/WW went from 1x to 1.1x.
 
Yes. So now it probably takes like 5 min on the ah to make a 14-19 twink and destroy levelers. There are several per game now just farming gys.

Great job blizz.

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Well yeah its an easy way to lvl through the 10-19 bracket, why wouldn't I or others who know whats possible not do that? why gimp myself when I am also just lvling through. Literally anyone can do this even fresh players, maybe not 10-19 but def 20-29 if they do there daily tailoring/lwing/bsing cd.
 
Yeah but that was kinda true already in pre merge with hunters.

29 boomy looks really fun.

Boomy got enough of a boost to make it S tier... you can just 1 shot 20s.

I've seen a few rets/ww/enhance/others wandering around at the 29 power level... the issue is that they are basically as bad as the 20s are now versus the real 29 s tier twinks... so its not that big of a deal... sure if you get into a group with no 29 stiers you have to worry about you are just 1king kids with templars... but, that's not really the case most of the time.

My point being nobody should make a 29 WW and think you are just gonna be making waves, its still basically on par with how it was at 20... and really even less because of the power boost the S tiers got... chi torpedo and flying kick don't make up for Arcane mage doing hyper damage is what I mean (enter 29 bucktoothed gimp kid "Arcane mage technically is not that much better!"... knife to neck).
 
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Boomy got enough of a boost to make it S tier... you can just 1 shot 20s.

I've seen a few rets/ww/enhance/others wandering around at the 29 power level... the issue is that they are basically as bad as the 20s are now versus the real 29 s tier twinks... so its not that big of a deal... sure if you get into a group with no 29 stiers you have to worry about you are just 1king kids with templars... but, that's not really the case most of the time.

My point being nobody should make a 29 WW and think you are just gonna be making waves, its still basically on par with how it was at 20... and really even less because of the power boost the S tiers got... chi torpedo and flying kick don't make up for Arcane mage doing hyper damage is what I mean (enter 29 bucktoothed gimp kid "Arcane mage technically is not that much better!"... knife to neck).

You clearly have afked out of more matches than anyone judging by the bullshit that spews out of your mouth here. Windwalker and Ret are S tier just as well as Sub Rogue. Just because you can't put another 5 keybindings on your interface doesn't mean the other specs are "as bad as the 20s versus 29 s tier twinks". Stupidest shit I've heard all week. Windwalker has tigers lust dispel, flying serpent kick, fortifying brew, touch of karma, paralysis, and storm earth wind and fire. Comparing a 29 windwalker to how it was at 20 versus other classes makes me cringe. I have see players destroy hunters, boomys and and mages on this class. And sub rogues can 2-3 shot people with shadow dance and symbols and on use trinkets with zerker.......Same with a ret paladin. All 29s have done is bring more diversity to the bracket where it is not just hunter, hunter, hunter......also 20 hunters still shit on 29 mages with knockback, feign death, silence, scatter, trap.....turtle.....You're just a salty sally that gets his ass destroyed almost every bg. You have 54 percent winning on over 700 games on your deathknight, and 55 percent winning on over 800 games on your shaman. Complete ass. You contribute nothing in not a single game I have seen you play on any of your toons. I'll see you in the gultch with more of my flags up your ass though. GG cya.
 
exactly the extra abilitys for ww are the shit! ww on 29s is by far better as 20s same for sublety rog as behindew already mentioned.
 
While these idiots are killing the queue and bracket, 20s can fight back by Opening up more wow forum posts, more ptr bug reports, create and remove more starter edition accounts specifically calling out this situation of long queues and getting blasted by 29s.

get vocal
 
While these idiots are killing the queue and bracket, 20s can fight back by Opening up more wow forum posts, more ptr bug reports, create and remove more starter edition accounts specifically calling out this situation of long queues and getting blasted by 29s.

get vocal
lol
 
Why are 29s so attached to their twinks? Why couldnt they just adapt and make a new 20?
Yes, adapting is making 20s and queueing to get crushed by Enanolo’s new 29 Surv match after match. The idea that the sentiment of a handful of zealous f2p players on a forum could influence every low-level twinker in WoW to resist running 25/27/29s in a new 20-29 xp-off Twink bracket is asinine.

This is where I personally see the issue. Most ppl here, when they say “we need to adapt”, they mean “20s need to swallow it”. If they would care even a tiny bit about a healthy bracket, competition and other buzzwords, they would also just level 20s.

and i get that we aren’t paying customers, and why would they gimp themselves and all the other bullshit, and it’s completely okay, but then get off your high horse, and don’t act like you care about the bracket and competition.
Again, there’s some dissonance here. I absolutely care about the bracket and competition because I see the reality that people will play non 20s - that’s just what happens in the face of a change like this from bliz.

The can of worms is opened and it's straight stubborn denial to think that everyone could be convinced to drop their plans and go back to playing level 20 in the face of the newly available options (many of which are enjoyable specs that were just recently under-kitted/unviable, and which now stand a better chance at pressuring the lol29survs).

If you want to keep the bracket alive, you don’t just go against the changing momentum by not queueing or only queueing 20s and ranting at others to only make 20s. That will just cause more disillusionment, less balance in BGs, and less pops for everyone. But if you genuinely love f2p and don't mind dropping PvP/simply don't want to join this new fray, then that's obviously the healthy choice to make.

"20s need to adapt or die" is pretty rich from a bunch of people who have spent 2 years crying about their precious 27s but never made any effort to get a scene going. The audacity to now latch onto a bracket and activity built and nurtured by 20s and demand that we continue to fuel your games while preaching like you somehow overcame adversity to play your twinks again... just complete lol
To me, the adapt or die sentiment isn’t about past scenes. it’s just looking at what Bliz has put right there in front of us, right now. For a lot of people, the recent f2p bracket’s scene was nurtured by it being the only low-level xp off instanced PvP option. It also had fast queues and access to levelers.

Yes, non-die-hard f2p twinks converged on the the bracket and didn’t engage deeply in the scene. And they didn’t need to due to the circumstances of how the PvP was shaped. While it’s important for some die-hards to lean into their hardcore scene, that’s not how everyone plays. People don’t need to have to cared about nurturing an old 27/29 scene to justify playing what’s available now.

Many twinks (less so on this site) are casual players that went harder in the old days but play less now and just want to queue into what’s available. And that’s fine. We don’t need to all have a years-long obsession and investment into a bracket to justify playing it how Blizzard shapes it today.

Kill the bracket ques Once the ques die blizz will respond.

the only way 29s will get pops is by multi account afk queuing. That will get noticed quickly.

Take it to the forums and open ptr bug reports. Daily. Log in starter edition accounts and complain there as well.
I don’t think Bliz cares that much if this xp-off bracket dies. Look at how they killed the other twink brackets without care. And they already just showed they were willing to nuke the bracket for f2ps.

This move to separate queues was for levelers wellbeing, not twinks. Which isn’t surprising, as the f2p twink group is minuscule in volume compared to the group of paying levelers/genuine trialers.

Is anyone here complaining about that? Or are we just laughing at 29s and going about our day?
While you’re better at feigning detachment, I disagree that people haven’t been genuinely complaining about it over the past week. They have.
 
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You clearly have afked out of more matches than anyone judging by the bullshit that spews out of your mouth here. Windwalker and Ret are S tier just as well as Sub Rogue. Just because you can't put another 5 keybindings on your interface doesn't mean the other specs are "as bad as the 20s versus 29 s tier twinks". Stupidest shit I've heard all week. Windwalker has tigers lust dispel, flying serpent kick, fortifying brew, touch of karma, paralysis, and storm earth wind and fire. Comparing a 29 windwalker to how it was at 20 versus other classes makes me cringe. I have see players destroy hunters, boomys and and mages on this class. And sub rogues can 2-3 shot people with shadow dance and symbols and on use trinkets with zerker.......Same with a ret paladin. All 29s have done is bring more diversity to the bracket where it is not just hunter, hunter, hunter......also 20 hunters still shit on 29 mages with knockback, feign death, silence, scatter, trap.....turtle.....You're just a salty sally that gets his ass destroyed almost every bg. You have 54 percent winning on over 700 games on your deathknight, and 55 percent winning on over 800 games on your shaman. Complete ass. You contribute nothing in not a single game I have seen you play on any of your toons. I'll see you in the gultch with more of my flags up your ass though. GG cya.

First, I don't blame you any more than I would a puppy for pissing on a couch, you just don't know any better because all you know is premading - and don't you even dare say its otherwise, it will make God shed a tear.

You were informed, I was not asking you... when you play a current Ret/WW with a 29 premade and the mages/booms do the work, you can act hard. You are and will always be just an alliance premade troll. Standing behind your hired 8 foot tall bodyguard and talking shit is not really indicative of something working... but, you are a dumb person so I guess in your mind it does. Seen tons of alliance kids doing this already... they just run up with their melee and act like the 5 other alliance arcane/booms are not behind them forcing the other team to run and then get a kill... that might make your pants tingle, not mine, it's pathetic.

If you think any skilled Arcane mage/Boom is going to even give your geared WW/Ret more than 10 seconds of thought... you are a fool... or they are trash. Pick one.

I actually do just fine most BGs, I just don't get premade carried like you, so good luck with that bloated-carry win ratio if you have one... I'll choose to not be a goofy nerd and look it up, because you are 100% not worth that effort.
 
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People don’t need to have to cared about nurturing an old 27/29 scene to justify playing what’s available now.
this is true. and I wasnt addressing the average 29 but rather specifically those banging on about "adapt or die" when they themselves failed to. It's funny to watch people glom onto a scene you helped build only when its the easiest possible thing for them to do and then tell you what to do about that scene. Its even funnier when the exchange really is:

27/29s: Adapt or die!
20s: ok, sure. gonna generally avoid random BGs, maybe work on my professions a bit, knock out these quest achievements... ya know, do F2P things.
27/29s: wait no, not like that!

While you’re better at feigning detachment, I disagree that people haven’t been genuinely complaining about it over the past week. They have.
Its not detachment, its experience. When you've been here before its pretty easy not to be worried about being here again.
 
this is true. and I wasnt addressing the average 29 but rather specifically those banging on about "adapt or die" when they themselves failed to. It's funny to watch people glom onto a scene you helped build only when its the easiest possible thing for them to do and then tell you what to do about that scene. Its even funnier when the exchange really is:

27/29s: Adapt or die!
20s: ok, sure. gonna generally avoid random BGs, maybe work on my professions a bit, knock out these quest achievements... ya know, do F2P things.
27/29s: wait no, not like that!
Definitely hear you on those sentiments.

I’d be annoyed as well if I chose to adjust to the changes by pivoting to non-PvP things on my f2p and fresh domination-hungry 29s were pressuring me to queue into them. That is gross.
 
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"20s need to adapt or die" is pretty rich from a bunch of people who have spent 2 years crying about their precious 27s but never made any effort to get a scene going. The audacity to now latch onto a bracket and activity built and nurtured by 20s and demand that we continue to fuel your games while preaching like you somehow overcame adversity to play your twinks again... just complete lol
Idk your acc is from 2013, your arguing like from a freshman. Its always been like that. Its not miracely 29s from whenever making a comeback to smash the 20s party. People will always strive for the max especially in twinking. Why is that a concept that needs to be explained to a 2013 Account? The people in this bracket need to adapt or quit. Its plain simple and has always been like that in wow twinking. Nothing will change that. Some then new 29s enjoy maxing in a bracket, some get a nostalgic kick playing with a 29 number again and some just want to kick some 20s around. There is not one group of people.
I myself might come back for 20s (maybe even roll a 29) just because I enjoy twink games. I couldnt care less about a bracket dying that consists of twinks (f2p or vet) destroying lvlers. I take that over the wishes of hypocrites all day.
 

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