Advancing Order Hall for epic procs...

Hi, all — Happy New Year!

I’ve searched for this specific answer and have been unable to find it anywhere, so was hoping someone that’s been through it can opine...

In order to advance Tier 1 of your class Order Hall where you can select option 2 for increased chance of quest rewards upgrading to rare/epic, do you have to complete 5/5 Chapters for one of the zones on the Scouting Map?

Wowhead says, “Shortly after doing the necessary quests, you are directed to an NPC which allows to choose your Order Hall Advancements.”

The “necessary quests” link they provide simply says, “Before you are given the access to all features of your Class Hall, you are required to do few things first. Upon entering to Dalaran, you directed to the Class Hall and are assigned to find your first artifact weapon. Obtaining the artifact weapon is rather short process and afterwards yourself find using the Scouting Map.”

Sorry, not trying to be helpless here — it just doesn’t really indicate at what point an NPC will appear which allows you to choose advancements.

Thanks in advance for any insight!

I should note that I’ve already gotten my Artifact weapon — I just don’t want to blow through a ton of quests and chances at epic relic procs if I’m totally missing something else, lol.

You dont even need to do any Broken Shore quests. Just do the Class Hall quests untill you reach the part where you wait 2-1 hours for a follower quest then a quest will come after it requiring you to make your 1st Order hall research which is the Epic procs one.
Should note that the research takes 2 hours to finish, So i suggest saving every single quest in the 4 zones till that research is done. I have done my fair share of repic procs. Finished all of Aszuna, Val'sharah, Stormhiem and highmountain main quests and side quests. So far only one relic procced. Yeah its going to be painful to proc 2 relics to epix quality.
(Edit: When you start the quest that tells you to choose a zone in the scouting map, dont head there yet. Wait abit around dalaran till a follower grants you a clas hall quest. Then you can continue till the research hall)

Magrain said:

You dont even need to do any Broken Shore quests. Just do the Class Hall quests untill you reach the part where you wait 2-1 hours for a follower quest then a quest will come after it requiring you to make your 1st Order hall research which is the Epic procs one.
Should note that the research takes 2 hours to finish, So i suggest saving every single quest in the 4 zones till that research is done. I have done my fair share of repic procs. Finished all of Aszuna, Val'sharah, Stormhiem and highmountain main quests and side quests. So far only one relic procced. Yeah its going to be painful to proc 2 relics to epix quality.

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Crap, okay, thank you — I already started doing Azsuna from the Scouting Map...

Anyway, so you literally just have to do class hall quests? Like the follower missions available or other crap? Sorry, don’t know why this is so confusing for me haha.

Iirc, you gotta get all 3 artis? I dont really remember, prepatch was a blur

Chops said:

Iirc, you gotta get all 3 artis? I dont really remember, prepatch was a blur

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All three artifact weapons? That seems odd lol.
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Magrain said:

You dont even need to do any Broken Shore quests. Just do the Class Hall quests untill you reach the part where you wait 2-1 hours for a follower quest then a quest will come after it requiring you to make your 1st Order hall research which is the Epic procs one.
Should note that the research takes 2 hours to finish, So i suggest saving every single quest in the 4 zones till that research is done. I have done my fair share of repic procs. Finished all of Aszuna, Val'sharah, Stormhiem and highmountain main quests and side quests. So far only one relic procced. Yeah its going to be painful to proc 2 relics to epix quality.
(Edit: When you start the quest that tells you to choose a zone in the scouting map, dont head there yet. Wait abit around dalaran till a follower grants you a clas hall quest. Then you can continue till the research hall)

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I reread your message — thank you for the information! I will wait for the longer follower quest wait time to complete and hopefully that will unlock the advancement.

Thanks, all .

Normally you will have to do a mission to unlock the NPC who then allows troops to be recruited.
Then do your first recruitment, only takes a few seconds.
Then you will be offered a mission, using those first troops, to recruit the NPC who allows the class hall upgrades.
Might be slight variation for some classes?
But yeah the usual pattern just takes a few hours and shouldn't require you to leave class hall at all.

• All three artifact weapons are not required.
  
• Don't start any zone quests before completing the class hall upgrade.
• Only annoying part is riding around Dalaran for a little bit (sometimes) for the quest giver to materialize right next to you with the (!)

For the +7 relics, across 3 toons I haven't got a single +7 proc yet. If you have the time (and want chances at relics and ilvl 28 greens with sockets), it may be faster farming Legion hyper spawns with a level 24. One gets level 19 ilvl 28 greens and bind on equip +7 relics.

I've been farming the murlocs in Azuna, felskorn in Stormheim, and grizzleweald imps in Val'shara the past week on a level 50 and 24. Relic drop numbers for the level 24 toon:

• +7 frost x3
• +7 storm x6
• +7 holy x4
• +7 blood x3
• +7 shadow x1

Still working on a high level rogue for lockpicking around 25 lockboxes for more relic chances.

Still working on some Highmountain stuff to try to get a +7 iron relic.

I made 7 Warlocks toons inorder to find the perfect Procs. So far 2 only got 1 relic to proc epic. Finishing all 4 zones is hellish. Then I grew to realize that its a fools game to proc 2 relics to epic and was fine with 1 relic.

Updated numbers after a kind forum member gave me a workaround for creating a high level rogue to open lockboxes. So for 20 hours of farming mobs, the relic drop numbers for the level 24 toon:

• +7 frost x3
• +7 storm x6
• +7 holy x6
• +7 blood x5
• +7 shadow x1 (I stopped after getting the shadow relic--the reason why the drop number isn't higher. I prefer farming felskorn and murloc spawns for the ilvl 28 greens)

And opened 35 lockboxes:

• +7 fire x1
  
• +7 arcane x3
• +7 fel x1

Can confirm the class hall talent tree doesn’t require any zones to be completed and can be done with only one artifact acquired. However there is a required quest that will have you select a zone to begin on the scouting map. When you have selected a zone to begin it should unlock an additional quest from Khadgar near the dalaran flight master that may actually require you to enter that zone but what I did with azsuna just recently for instance is select the quest, fly to aszuna, turn the quest in and then fly or port right back to the class hall to continue on towards your upgrades. Also keep in mind that there are several follower missions you will also need to complete to advance your class hall adequately. Hope that helps.

To get the class hall upgrades NPC you just do your hall questline until you've got it. Zero zone quests required.

Some classes are different (DK have to go to durotar to get one of your followers) but they all follow the same routine:

Get an artifact
Get your order hall (usually become the high member of you class or something)
Select a zone (select only, dont go there)
Get champions for the missions
Do the mission that unlocks your minions (like 2 minutes)
Get minions for the missions
Do the mission that unlocks your upgrades NPC ( 1 hour)

It's like the first 2 missions you do from your mission board. One's 2 minutes, one's 1 hour, the one you want is 1-2 hours.

They are all "!" missions, they have the ! right on the missions itself when you open the board. Dont do any others yet.

Generally, at least. Every class i do is the same routine at least. But missions unlock the guy, then you have to wait 1-2 hours (90% sure) for the upgrade to be complete. If you run out of options, look around your hall for an orange "!" quest.

Sometimes the guy offering your second artifact also has another "!" quest too that you need to do to progress further.

Only one artifact required, can be completed before you actually begin any zone.

Boognish said:

Can confirm the class hall talent tree doesn’t require any zones to be completed and can be done with only one artifact acquired. However there is a required quest that will have you select a zone to begin on the scouting map. When you have selected a zone to begin it should unlock an additional quest from Khadgar near the dalaran flight master that may actually require you to enter that zone but what I did with azsuna just recently for instance is select the quest, fly to aszuna, turn the quest in and then fly or port right back to the class hall to continue on towards your upgrades. Also keep in mind that there are several follower missions you will also need to complete to advance your class hall adequately. Hope that helps.

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Thanks so much — I finally got it totally figured out thanks to everyone here. Although I didn’t have to actually start completing quests in a zone, I did have to select one (believe I went with Azsuna) so I could proceed with the few follower missions that led up to the 2hr one which, once completed, makes the NPC appear that allows you to select your Tier 1 Order Hall advancement choice.

This was totally helpful — thanks, everyone!

Zorch said:

Thanks so much — I finally got it totally figured out thanks to everyone here. Although I didn’t have to actually start completing quests in a zone, I did have to select one (believe I went with Azsuna) so I could proceed with the few follower missions that led up to the 2hr one which, once completed, makes the NPC appear that allows you to select your Tier 1 Order Hall advancement choice.

This was totally helpful — thanks, everyone!

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Glad you got it squared away. It can feel a little disjointed sometimes starting a class hall for a class you haven’t played before. Gl!

Dont let greed get to you man, if you got only one epic proc on a relic, treasure it. The journey to proc 2 relics is ass. Goodluck out there.
(Edit: Its worse when you proc 2 of the same types of relic, mine was double fel which cannot be used bec the 3rd relic slot is locked.)

I feel like the first relics available in a zone are lower than the later offerings regardless, even if they proc epic.

I know it used to be that way, although now we're talking decimal differences between them.

edit- also good to note that the best relics are BoE drops so it's not the end of the world if you dont get epic... unless you're f2play. Vet at least always has the option to sub again and get the best relics down the road at some point.

Magrain said:

The journey to proc 2 relics is ass.

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It used to be less ass because you needed to finish all 4 zones anyway to get the end zone gear, now those are ass.

we should probably get some stat comparisons between ilvl 31, 32, 33, & 34 artifacts:

ilvl 31: 1-hander = 4.2 dps, 4/6/3/3 stats. 2-hander = 5.7 dps, 8/12/7/7 stats.
ilvl 32: 1-hander = 4.6 dps, 4/6/4/4 stats. 2-hander =
ilvl 33: 1-hander = 4.6 dps, 4/6/4/4 stats. 2-hander =
ilvl 34: 1-hander = 4.6 dps, 4/6/4/4 stats. 2-hander = 6.4 dps. 8/13/9/7

note: the dps on weapons will vary. (DH's ilvl 34 artifact has 4.6 dps, while Monk's ilvl 34 is 4.8)

Andre said:

we should probably get some stat comparisons between ilvl 31, 32, 33, & 34 artifacts:

ilvl 31: 1-hander = 4.2 dps, 4/6/3/3 stats. 2-hander = 5.7 dps, 8/12/7/7 stats.
ilvl 32: 1-hander = 4.6 dps, 4/6/4/4 stats. 2-hander =
ilvl 33: 1-hander = 4.6 dps, 4/6/4/4 stats. 2-hander =
ilvl 34: 1-hander = 4.6 dps, 4/6/4/4 stats. 2-hander = 6.4 dps. 8/13/9/7

note: the dps on weapons will vary. (DH's ilvl 34 artifact has 4.6 dps, while Monk's ilvl 34 is 4.8)

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These can be looked up on wowhead by adding "&ilvl=XX" to the end of the URL where XX is the ilvl you want to scale to. I.E. https://www.wowhead.com/item=128910/stromkar-the-warbreaker?bonus=0&ilvl=33

i don't trust wowhead's accuracy with numbers.