SL Guide and FAQs

Rockastansky said:
People tried to do this forever in the last xpac with the Vibro Blade from Gnomer (?) or something like that - it was an armor reduction axe - on rogues and shamams... blizzard just makes the procs too terrible to use, and you were just missing out on 1000s of damage by not using a "real weapon". The proc would have to hit at least 6 times per minute to be useful, just counting the times you will actually be in range of a healer to actually hit them and get a proc... i think the vibro blade was random enough to be once per 2 minutes or something trash-nuts.

I ran 2 on my shaman for a long time trying to make something happen, but they were just too much of a dog shit... then using the vibro blades added a nice top coat of compost to that already steaming manure pile.
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Yeah from a pvp perspective its just not reliable but I also like to run dungeons and stuff where it is a bit more realistic to use them.
 
shanker said:
twinks bone their own, blizz reacts or ignores
all of the below were reported blizz predom by players who twink. missed out or didn't want to do the effort
  • legion warforged prepatch
  • legion item 100 white weapons, MOP high item level trinket, etc
  • Bfa ilv 180s from rares
  • Bfa northrend engineering
one twink from this site did a long thread on the unfair advantage the unfair of twinks in BGs using his main, and ironicly got people on this site to support and back it.

after the BG split, i saw him on a vet20 with a minor premade in a BG (was on same team) i believe he was streaming at the time. i asked if he was ______ from xpoff, he said yes. i asked i thought you were against twinks with levelers, now there are no twink brackets again, said not his problem, i said you advocated for it. he said yeah, it was part of my plan, i was unsubbing, did not want 29s in the bracket...paused, said ...it worked.

in WOTLK, it was predominately those who played 19s that advocated for the split and assassinated all other brackets. only reason 70's survived was WOW was BC capped thru WOTLK, CATA, and half of MOP. i would almost bet those in classic wow that wanted a what was a WOTLK nerf of ZG enchants was 19's, and will go back into action for naxx, and again if TBC classic is a thing.

for the last 6 years. three major squishes, do you think levelers have complained that crusader enchant has never been squished and missed by blizzard Devs? about mark of satyr or elemental force? blizzard reacted on those two
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Off topic but seems you mentioned it. As of Cata prepatch (end of WTLK) BC capped accounts were considered xpoff and put into the same bracket.
The actual main reason 70s survived (flourished) during this time was arena rating achievements.
 
BGs were actively popping for 70-79, 70-74, and then 70-79 since WOTLK and deep into MOP. with or without 70's able to do arena in WOTLK or CATA. the arena ratings, tabards, titles, etc continued into WOTLK. blizzard actually commented on it and allowed it. in CATA blizzard did not intend 70's to obtain level 85 arena achieves and got nerfed. those who obtained them were GF'd.

my opinion may vary from others, i consider a twink bracket active, when you can que solo, get reasonable BG que times, near around the clock BGs.
 
If I understand well, we don't know the level limit of f2p? And also, if xp is still lock with chromie time and our vet account?
 
osion said:
If I understand well, we don't know the level limit of f2p? And also, if xp is still lock with chromie time and our vet account?
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We do not know the trial level cap as of right now.

It used to seem VERY slated towards level 10. If I were a gambling man, I would have been 90% in on level 10 after the release of the PTR character-copy.

Now, we've received a few indications that it might be level 20... So I'm somewhere now around 50-50, and very hopeful.
 
Hot take; FTP cap is 10, Vet cap is 20.

They did put a whole bunch of work into splitting out Starter and Veteran text strings.
FTP is a taste of the wow experience; the island, the first dungeon, etc.
Vet lets you progress further, but you are still in the new Player chat so you can receive help.

They seem to be super focused on making that first time playing experience enjoyable with the revamp. Maybe this is Blizzard answer to F2Ps joining BGs with Vets and possibly ruining that battleground experience with lopsided character power?
 
Hashbrowns said:
Hot take; FTP cap is 10, Vet cap is 20.
Maybe this is Blizzard answer to F2Ps joining BGs with Vets and possibly ruining that battleground experience with lopsided character power?
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not a bad way to do it at all.
my name's fung and i approve of this message.
 
If vet cap is 20 I'm going back to playing the most op specs, I'm going to tryhard every bg, took a break from that playstyle in bfa but I won't be so nice in SL
 
I actually wouldn’t mind if ftp is 10 and vet is 20.

I was just considered that having a huge chunk of the game for free, that would be detrimental for the game for the short and long run.
 
Hashbrowns said:
Hot take; FTP cap is 10, Vet cap is 20.

They did put a whole bunch of work into splitting out Starter and Veteran text strings.
FTP is a taste of the wow experience; the island, the first dungeon, etc.
Vet lets you progress further, but you are still in the new Player chat so you can receive help.

They seem to be super focused on making that first time playing experience enjoyable with the revamp. Maybe this is Blizzard answer to F2Ps joining BGs with Vets and possibly ruining that battleground experience with lopsided character power?
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I have a better idea.

F2P level 20 cap.

Vets gets removed, you can no longer be online on any level without game time.
 
Conzil said:
you can no longer be online on any level without game time
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Conzil said:
F2P level 20 cap.
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Conzil said:
Well obviously I mean that starter accs that never had game time can be online, but once u get game time, and you no longer is a starter acc, u can’t play without it anymore.
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If they fuck with my beer money they're going to be sorely disappointed.
 
shanker said:
BGs were actively popping for 70-79, 70-74, and then 70-79 since WOTLK and deep into MOP. with or without 70's able to do arena in WOTLK or CATA. the arena ratings, tabards, titles, etc continued into WOTLK. blizzard actually commented on it and allowed it. in CATA blizzard did not intend 70's to obtain level 85 arena achieves and got nerfed. those who obtained them were GF'd.

my opinion may vary from others, i consider a twink bracket active, when you can que solo, get reasonable BG que times, near around the clock BGs.
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I thought you said it was active because of the BC capped accounts, my point was that expansion capped accounts were merged into xpoff BG groups at the end of WTLK so that had nothing to do with the activity of the bracket past that time.
Regardless of yours or my opinions.
 
shanker said:
twinks bone their own
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As they should. Grandfathered gear that makes for interesting choices compared to modern options, adds flavor and swag to a given bracket. Grandfathered anything that makes a bracket lopsided against non-grandfathered players or creates a wild upset in the impact of stats in a given bracket, essentially nukes that bracket. Blizzard's going to overlook things like this, and it's up to enthusiast communities like this one to manage the health and expectations of the community. I have no sympathy for twinks who hide behind "but anyone could have gotten it" excuses for problematic aspects of the game (not aiming at you, @shanker ; you brought up an important point in this thread, and I'm expanding on it).

My favorite upcoming example in SL: SL 19s can attain 100% mount speed by leveling to 40 before the prepatch, attaining the 100% mount speed, then landing eventually at 19 in SL. If Blizzard fails to put a level requirement or some other disabler on that ability (or fails to give everyone 100% mount speed at 19), then one of the two non-ftp/vet XP-off brackets that received the most interest in the last couple of months goes dead on arrival. Who's gonna roll up a new 19 or update an old 19 with a 40% mount speed disadvantage?

Necessary nerfs like bandages in cata, big daddies and bolt guns in cata, and the list @shanker put together get relatively quick attention from Blizzard. Subtle issues like the Cata queue bug that destroyed games for only the 60 bracket for four months, or single item oversights like fishing pole damage, or grandfathered enchantments in cata...those remain up to communities like this to point out. That's part of why guides like the one that started this thread are so important. Not only do they bring old and new players up to speed, but they also serve to publicize issues that can hold back a bracket.

Notice how Cata easily brought the majority of issues of any expansion in WoW? SL looks to overtake Cata in the sheer impact (and number of oversights) for XP-off play. Yes, it's hilarious that honor gems haven't been scaled yet. It's not hilarious when people decide not to play what could have been an otherwise popular bracket in SL because there's no point. Why PvP when everyone gets one shot? Why run a dungeon as a newbie when some other player of the same level inexplicably bulldozes the whole dungeon on their own, leaving the other four to scratch their heads?

I get that there's a subsection of XP-off players who enjoy lording gear and stat advantages over other players. That's part of twinking, and I respect the work that goes into finding and obtaining gear and stat advantages. When that pursuit breaks games because the advantages eliminate swaths of interested players or the advantages are not available to players willing to do the work but who happened to miss a particular window of opportunity, then we need to "bone our own". At the very least, more of our own will want to play, and at the very best, we make a positive impact for WoW players as a whole.
 
Kirise said:
As they should. Grandfathered gear that makes for interesting choices compared to modern options, adds flavor and swag to a given bracket. Grandfathered anything that makes a bracket lopsided against non-grandfathered players or creates a wild upset in the impact of stats in a given bracket, essentially nukes that bracket. Blizzard's going to overlook things like this, and it's up to enthusiast communities like this one to manage the health and expectations of the community. I have no sympathy for twinks who hide behind "but anyone could have gotten it" excuses for problematic aspects of the game (not aiming at you, @shanker ; you brought up an important point in this thread, and I'm expanding on it).

My favorite upcoming example in SL: SL 19s can attain 100% mount speed by leveling to 40 before the prepatch, attaining the 100% mount speed, then landing eventually at 19 in SL. If Blizzard fails to put a level requirement or some other disabler on that ability (or fails to give everyone 100% mount speed at 19), then one of the two non-ftp/vet XP-off brackets that received the most interest in the last couple of months goes dead on arrival. Who's gonna roll up a new 19 or update an old 19 with a 40% mount speed disadvantage?

Necessary nerfs like bandages in cata, big daddies and bolt guns in cata, and the list @shanker put together get relatively quick attention from Blizzard. Subtle issues like the Cata queue bug that destroyed games for only the 60 bracket for four months, or single item oversights like fishing pole damage, or grandfathered enchantments in cata...those remain up to communities like this to point out. That's part of why guides like the one that started this thread are so important. Not only do they bring old and new players up to speed, but they also serve to publicize issues that can hold back a bracket.

Notice how Cata easily brought the majority of issues of any expansion in WoW? SL looks to overtake Cata in the sheer impact (and number of oversights) for XP-off play. Yes, it's hilarious that honor gems haven't been scaled yet. It's not hilarious when people decide not to play what could have been an otherwise popular bracket in SL because there's no point. Why PvP when everyone gets one shot? Why run a dungeon as a newbie when some other player of the same level inexplicably bulldozes the whole dungeon on their own, leaving the other four to scratch their heads?

I get that there's a subsection of XP-off players who enjoy lording gear and stat advantages over other players. That's part of twinking, and I respect the work that goes into finding and obtaining gear and stat advantages. When that pursuit breaks games because the advantages eliminate swaths of interested players or the advantages are not available to players willing to do the work but who happened to miss a particular window of opportunity, then we need to "bone our own". At the very least, more of our own will want to play, and at the very best, we make a positive impact for WoW players as a whole.
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Just kick the twink for not letting the tank pull.
 
Kirise said:
As they should. Grandfathered gear that makes for interesting choices compared to modern options, adds flavor and swag to a given bracket. Grandfathered anything that makes a bracket lopsided against non-grandfathered players or creates a wild upset in the impact of stats in a given bracket, essentially nukes that bracket. Blizzard's going to overlook things like this, and it's up to enthusiast communities like this one to manage the health and expectations of the community. I have no sympathy for twinks who hide behind "but anyone could have gotten it" excuses for problematic aspects of the game (not aiming at you, @shanker ; you brought up an important point in this thread, and I'm expanding on it).

My favorite upcoming example in SL: SL 19s can attain 100% mount speed by leveling to 40 before the prepatch, attaining the 100% mount speed, then landing eventually at 19 in SL. If Blizzard fails to put a level requirement or some other disabler on that ability (or fails to give everyone 100% mount speed at 19), then one of the two non-ftp/vet XP-off brackets that received the most interest in the last couple of months goes dead on arrival. Who's gonna roll up a new 19 or update an old 19 with a 40% mount speed disadvantage?

Necessary nerfs like bandages in cata, big daddies and bolt guns in cata, and the list @shanker put together get relatively quick attention from Blizzard. Subtle issues like the Cata queue bug that destroyed games for only the 60 bracket for four months, or single item oversights like fishing pole damage, or grandfathered enchantments in cata...those remain up to communities like this to point out. That's part of why guides like the one that started this thread are so important. Not only do they bring old and new players up to speed, but they also serve to publicize issues that can hold back a bracket.

Notice how Cata easily brought the majority of issues of any expansion in WoW? SL looks to overtake Cata in the sheer impact (and number of oversights) for XP-off play. Yes, it's hilarious that honor gems haven't been scaled yet. It's not hilarious when people decide not to play what could have been an otherwise popular bracket in SL because there's no point. Why PvP when everyone gets one shot? Why run a dungeon as a newbie when some other player of the same level inexplicably bulldozes the whole dungeon on their own, leaving the other four to scratch their heads?

I get that there's a subsection of XP-off players who enjoy lording gear and stat advantages over other players. That's part of twinking, and I respect the work that goes into finding and obtaining gear and stat advantages. When that pursuit breaks games because the advantages eliminate swaths of interested players or the advantages are not available to players willing to do the work but who happened to miss a particular window of opportunity, then we need to "bone our own". At the very least, more of our own will want to play, and at the very best, we make a positive impact for WoW players as a whole.
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I honestly think it has less to do with people being butt hurt about gear and more to do with the entire Premade aspect of the current 20-29s. Premades are what is powerful, not some kid wearing a Legion Hat. People come into the bracket and just see 5 mans trolling graveyards and think its gear.. when its really just group power.

Premades are what ruins the formats not gear (outside of S tier nerds). You can get lucky with two crits on a half ass Ret and just kill any rando max gear twink. What you can't do is kill 5 kids all touching tips at the same time.

Premades are what really destroys the format. I get that sometimes you just get more twinks in your group... its not the same as people quing together and giggle farting. The games are much more fun when its random.

Again, however without being forced to do things intelligently, most twink kids will just wipe their ass from back to front and get shit all over their balls. Proven since day one.

I would also argue that some of this is just psychological as well. Most twinks are fuck-tards and act accordingly. Spitting on people in game, etc. These people are just douche bags, but they know it, it's just the persona they choose to go though life with - and unfortunatly probably did not have a dad who just kicked them in the face when they started to act all silly-as-fuck. This kind of behavior from kids in premades also brings undo attention to gear being overpowered.

Example: "This fat nerd killed me while having full pocket heals and then spit on me with his emote... let me look at his armory... oh he has a epic hat and cod piece... his gear is what killed me, not the fact that he is a full carry chimp that only rolls in premades and then acts hard." Some people (who are just dumb) make the conclusion that it was gear there.
 
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Rockastansky said:
I honestly think it has less to do with people being butt hurt about gear and more to do with the entire Premade aspect of the current 20-29s. Premades are what is powerful, not some kid wearing a Legion Hat. People come into the bracket and just see 5 mans trolling graveyards and think its gear.. when its really just group power.

Premades are what ruins the formats not gear (outside of S tier nerds). You can get lucky with two crits on a half ass Ret and just kill any rando max gear twink. What you can't do is kill 5 kids all touching tips at the same time.

Premades are what really destroys the format. I get that sometimes you just get more twinks in your group... its not the same as people quing together and giggle farting. The games are much more fun when its random.

Again, however without being forced to do things intelligently, most twink kids will just wipe their ass from back to front and get shit all over their balls. Proven since day one.

I would also argue that some of this is just psychological as well. Most twinks are fuck-tards and act accordingly. Spitting on people in game, etc. These people are just douche bags, but they know it, it's just the persona they choose to go though life with - and unfortunatly probably did not have a dad who just kicked them in the face when they started to act all silly-as-fuck. This kind of behavior from kids in premades also brings undo attention to gear being overpowered.

Example: "This fat nerd killed me while having full pocket heals and then spit on me with his emote... let me look at his armory... oh he has a epic hat and cod piece... his gear is what killed me, not the fact that he is a full carry chimp that only rolls in premades and then acts hard." Some people (who are just dumb) make the conclusion that it was gear there.
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Turn ur pc off, light a blunt, call it a day. You need it.
 
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