PTR Grandfathered Things in Shadowlands

Rhaellia

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This thread is to catalogue the changes that will make somethings unavailable. These changes are based on the current PTR build, which will probably be hitting live soon. So if you absolutely can't live without any of these mounts, pets, achievements, toys etc. get them now!

*Please correct any inaccurate information as well as add any of your findings, I will try to credit as best as I can. Thank you!

Pandaria

Reputation
It seems the bonus reputation for Pandaria reputations has been removed. This will likely make the following reputations and their corresponding achievements grandfathered including Pandaren Ambassador. (Thank you @Conzil)

Shado-Pan
The August Celestials
Klaxxi
The Tillers
The Anglers
The Lorewalkers
Kirin Tor Offensive / Sunreaver Onslaught

Isle of Thunder
Zandalari Library Card (Now requires level 35 to open the Troves of the Thunder King.)

Timeless Isle

Bloody Coins will no longer drop for level 20s. This is most likely due to the level squash and will probably be fixed in the future but who knows. The following things might become grandfathered. Get them while you can.

1. Get Fire-Watcher's Oath.

2. Get a friend who will help you or have a paid account. I'm not sure if the exact level but the toon I am using is level 111. It will take hours so best to do it yourself.

3. Find a nice graveyard, preferably one in a non-frequented area.

4. Kill the other player but land the killing blow with a ranged attack. Melee seems to trigger the debuff. 10 min debuff makes this practically impossible to do with just one toon so becareful.

5. Resurrect at spirit healer, this will speed up the process.

6. Good job, only 1999 more to go!

Achievements
Candlekeeper
Oathguard
Blazebinder
Kilnmaster
Fire-Watcher

Pets/Mounts
Reins of the Ashhide Mushan Beast (in case they change the level to learn this mount, you might want to have the coins)
Vengeful Porcupette

Crane nests are no longer lootable at level 20 (Thank you @Reidor). This means the following items will be grandfathered once the pre-patch hits.

Edit: We should beable to loot Timeless Coins through mining and maybe even herbs once pre-patch goes live. This means Fire-Watcher's Oath, Celestial Defender's Medallion, Sky Lantern and Harmonious Porcupette are not grandfathered. However, the chest that contain Bonkers will require level 30.

Pets
Azure Crane Chick
Bonkers *Confirmed.

Achievements
Eyes on the Ground
Pilgrimage
Timeless Nutriment (Thank you @Brihan)
Legend of the Past
Timeless Legends

Cataclysm
Get your Baradin's Wardens Tabard or Hellscream's Reach Tabard now. On the PTR, it's looking like maybe the only way to get to Tol Barad. Confirmed. (Thank you @Donor!)

Old World
Pets
Darting Hatchling (Now requires level 15 to loot.)
Ravasaur Hatchling (Now requires level 15 to loot.)

Toys
Orb of Deception (SIlken Treasure Chests now require level 15 to loot, this might make farming next to impossible. Most likely only beable to get it through mobs.)

Warlords of Draenor

Pets
Teroclaw Hatchling *Confirmed.

Battlegrounds

Achievements
Eye of the Storm, Alterac Valley, Isle of Conquest
We will no longer beable to queue for these battlegrounds at level 20 in Shadowlands. All achievements will be grandfathered.

Things
Sleeveless T-Shirt
 
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Crane nests are no longer lootable at level 20 (Thank you @Reidor). This means the following items will be grandfathered once the pre-patch hits.

Pets
Azure Crane Chick
Bonkers
Sky Lantern
Harmonious Porcupette

Toys
Celestial Defender's Medallion
Censer of Eternal Agony

Has anyone tried fishing up Purse of Timeless Coins from the pools on Timeless Isle? Could be a way to still obtain Timeless Coins, I saw some pics in another thread of certain pools having a requirement level but worth a try.

Also, Censer of Eternal Agony is already gf, you need to be level 80 to buy it even if you have the coins for it.
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*Please correct any inaccurate information as well as add any of your findings, I will try to credit as best as I can. Thank you!

Also, it seems like Mist of Pandaria Bonus Reputation is being removed, which will make a few reps gf
 
Has anyone tried fishing up Purse of Timeless Coins from the pools on Timeless Isle? Could be a way to still obtain Timeless Coins, I saw some pics in another thread of certain pools having a requirement level but worth a try.

Also, Censer of Eternal Agony is already gf, you need to be level 80 to buy it even if you have the coins for it.
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Also, it seems like Mist of Pandaria Bonus Reputation is being removed, which will make a few reps gf
I tried fishing for the Purse of Timeless Coins, haven't seen one yet. Apparently they don't contain much coins eitherway.

I'll be adding the rep stuff and removing the Cener of Eternal Agony. I figured it maybe was but I hadn't had enough coins to try and buy it.

Can you confirm if any of the reps will be obtainable still? I would assume we won't have access to dailies and last I heard the trolls that drop badges aren't scaled.

Still on timeless island topic
Timeless Nutriment is GF because the fruits are lvl30+ req

Can anyone confirm if Legend of the Past and Timeless Legends are still doable on PTR? Might be the same lvl restriction on the artifacts.
Yep, forgot about that one. Thank you!

I can also confirm that the artifacts now require 30. It kind of seems like any interactable items are the minimum level range of the zone they're in.

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Can you confirm if any of the reps will be obtainable still? I would assume we won't have access to dailies and last I heard the trolls that drop badges aren't scaled.
So far, the reps are:
- Emperor Shaohao -> still ok, mobs on timeless isle give rep
- Golden Lotus -> not tested, to check in the vale if they still give rep
- Kirin Tor Offensive -> no rep, Thunder isle is lvl35
- Order of the Cloud Serpent -> still ok, access to quest and dailies in Jade forest
- Shado-Pan -> no rep, Townlong Steppes lvl25
- August Celestials -> to test
- Black Prince -> still ok, boss on timeless isle still give rep
- Klaxxi -> no rep, Dread Wastes lvl30, nothing available at all
- Lorewalkers -> didn't test if there was any quest with them available, maybe bringing archaeology crates?
- Anglers -> didn't test, but there are those fish quest items you can get and give rep with them, afaik it's available for lvl10s, but need confirmation
- Tillers -> didn't see any quest up, might be able to get Nomi's bell and unlock dailies that count for Tillers? Mayyybe? Big if there ^^
 
Can you confirm if any of the reps will be obtainable still? I would assume we won't have access to dailies and last I heard the trolls that drop badges aren't scaled.

Obtainable

Nat Pagle (Turn in Daily Fish)
Order of the Cloud Serpent (Access to Daily Quests)
Golden Lotus (Kill Mobs in Vale)
Emperor Shaohao (Kill Mobs on Timeless)
The Black Prince (Kill Celestials once per week on Timeless)

Prob GF but I have not checked yet
The Anglers
The Lorewalkers
Operation: Shieldwall
Shado-Pan Assault
The August Celestials
Tillers (@Brihan had some daily quests there but I think those were for each NPC rep so those should be confirmed but not sure if all are possible, Brihan plz save me idk what to tell em)

Nope lmao
Kirin Tor Offensive (Can't access Daily Quests until Level 35)
Shado-Pan (Can't access Daily Quests until you don't Dread Waste Quests)
The Klaxxi (Can't access Daily Quests until you don't Dread Waste Quests)
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So far, the reps are:
- Emperor Shaohao -> still ok, mobs on timeless isle give rep
- Golden Lotus -> not tested, to check in the vale if they still give rep
- Kirin Tor Offensive -> no rep, Thunder isle is lvl35
- Order of the Cloud Serpent -> still ok, access to quest and dailies in Jade forest
- Shado-Pan -> no rep, Townlong Steppes lvl25
- August Celestials -> to test
- Black Prince -> still ok, boss on timeless isle still give rep
- Klaxxi -> no rep, Dread Wastes lvl30, nothing available at all
- Lorewalkers -> didn't test if there was any quest with them available, maybe bringing archaeology crates?
- Anglers -> didn't test, but there are those fish quest items you can get and give rep with them, afaik it's available for lvl10s, but need confirmation
- Tillers -> didn't see any quest up, might be able to get Nomi's bell and unlock dailies that count for Tillers? Mayyybe? Big if there ^^

oof sneaky posting while I was still writing my stuff
 
So, just checked a bit more in datamined stuff, and Blizz got rid of the Pandaria rep bonus when doing LFG dungeons on the second build of Beta. They removed the commands to get and set the reputation we apply the bonus on, as well as the lines of code adding bonus reputation when finishing a LFG, as well as all the graphical stuff related to it (the stars to choose the rep we want the bonus on) ....
So it's like 99.9% sure that the rep bonus on LFG is disappearing on prepatch ....

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So far, the reps are:
- Emperor Shaohao -> still ok, mobs on timeless isle give rep
- Golden Lotus -> not tested, to check in the vale if they still give rep
- Kirin Tor Offensive -> no rep, Thunder isle is lvl35
- Order of the Cloud Serpent -> still ok, access to quest and dailies in Jade forest
- Shado-Pan -> no rep, Townlong Steppes lvl25
- August Celestials -> to test
- Black Prince -> still ok, boss on timeless isle still give rep
- Klaxxi -> no rep, Dread Wastes lvl30, nothing available at all
- Lorewalkers -> didn't test if there was any quest with them available, maybe bringing archaeology crates?
- Anglers -> didn't test, but there are those fish quest items you can get and give rep with them, afaik it's available for lvl10s, but need confirmation
- Tillers -> didn't see any quest up, might be able to get Nomi's bell and unlock dailies that count for Tillers? Mayyybe? Big if there ^^
I will test Golden Lotus today.

Can confirm the green fishies can't be used at 10. Wowhead PTR has them listed as requiring level 15 which would fit the minimum level requirement of the zone. RIP.

It does look like we might beable to get Nomi's Bell but it will be one of the biggest grinds, it'll require a lot of Spirits of Harmony to probably buy the mats. I can't 100% confirm but I can confirm that the master cooking styles are within our level range and price range if it goes live the way it currently is. However, I don't think the Nomi dailies would be enough reputation.


Obtainable

Nat Pagle (Turn in Daily Fish)
Order of the Cloud Serpent (Access to Daily Quests)
Golden Lotus (Kill Mobs in Vale)
Emperor Shaohao (Kill Mobs on Timeless)
The Black Prince (Kill Celestials once per week on Timeless)

Prob GF but I have not checked yet
The Anglers
The Lorewalkers
Operation: Shieldwall
Shado-Pan Assault
The August Celestials
Tillers (@Brihan had some daily quests there but I think those were for each NPC rep so those should be confirmed but not sure if all are possible, Brihan plz save me idk what to tell em)

Nope lmao
Kirin Tor Offensive (Can't access Daily Quests until Level 35)
Shado-Pan (Can't access Daily Quests until you don't Dread Waste Quests)
The Klaxxi (Can't access Daily Quests until you don't Dread Waste Quests)
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oof sneaky posting while I was still writing my stuff
Can you confirm the fish? I had one on me when I copied over and I couldn't use that one. I'm pretty sure we won't beable to do them sadly :(

So, just checked a bit more in datamined stuff, and Blizz got rid of the Pandaria rep bonus when doing LFG dungeons on the second build of Beta. They removed the commands to get and set the reputation we apply the bonus on, as well as the lines of code adding bonus reputation when finishing a LFG, as well as all the graphical stuff related to it (the stars to choose the rep we want the bonus on) ....
So it's like 99.9% sure that the rep bonus on LFG is disappearing on prepatch ....

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That really sucks.

I think they added it during Mists of Pandaria because people were complaining about all the dailies. Guess they figured there's enough catchup badges to make up for that. Maybe we could make a thread on the forums? x)

I found that we can now roll on Pandaria world bosses, pretty sure the mounts are able to be rolled but the level requirement is too high. But they do drop transmog! I can't confirm Oondasta or Nalak because I don't have the Timeless Coins to buy the bonus roll coins. Would appreciate if anyone could test this because if it is possible, this would mean some of this transmog would become unavailable to us.

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I can also confirm that prison keys still give rep to low levels.
 
I found that we can now roll on Pandaria world bosses, pretty sure the mounts are able to be rolled but the level requirement is too high. But they do drop transmog! I can't confirm Oondasta or Nalak because I don't have the Timeless Coins to buy the bonus roll coins. Would appreciate if anyone could test this because if it is possible, this would mean some of this transmog would become unavailable to us.
So yeah, you can bonus roll on the kodo-boss and the sha to get loot (and more often gold), even on live it's only for tmog purposes as the lvl req is too high even for SL. Afaik the mounts can't drop on bonus roll.
Sadly I discovered the bonus roll for Nalak and Oondasta after they patched the farming of coins in 8.1 ... but with SL coins would become even more rare (aka only with fishing) ...
 
So yeah, you can bonus roll on the kodo-boss and the sha to get loot (and more often gold), even on live it's only for tmog purposes as the lvl req is too high even for SL. Afaik the mounts can't drop on bonus roll.
Sadly I discovered the bonus roll for Nalak and Oondasta after they patched the farming of coins in 8.1 ... but with SL coins would become even more rare (aka only with fishing) ...
Ahh I read that you could bonus roll the mounts, doesn't really matter eitherway I guess haha.

You can get the transmog on live? Dang, I seem to only recall them dropping nothing. That's good news because I just checked if we can loot the trove of the thunder king. Of course we can't. We should still beable to get coins through Lesser Charm of Good Fortune though, I think. But this does mean that Zandalari Library Card is finally grandfathered.

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Mobs in the vale still give golden lotus rep.

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hat's good news because I just checked if we can loot the trove of the thunder king. Of course we can't.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Guess i've to farm those chest until prepatch, to get the books :'(
 
Can you confirm the fish? I had one on me when I copied over and I couldn't use that one. I'm pretty sure we won't beable to do them sadly :(

Seems like I was wrong about the fishes, wowhead says level 15

I just remember someone saying we could do it and took them for their word.

Zandalari Library Card (Now requires level 35 to open the Troves of the Thunder King.)

This is a big oof :( Im missing just one book, may RNG be nice and allow me to get it before prepatch.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Guess i've to farm those chest until prepatch, to get the books :'(

This is a big oof :( Im missing just one book, may RNG be nice and allow me to get it before prepatch.
Hope you guys both get it :)

I still need two myself.

Pfft, what's next, level requirement to wave at NPCs?!
 
Added both Darting Hatchling and Ravasaur Hatchling to the list as they require level 15 to loot on PTR. Get them while you can, if you haven't!

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Timeless Coins
We will still beable to loot Timeless Coins through mining. However, this still means that Azure Crane Chick and Bonkers will still be grandfathered due to level requirements.

I have updated the OP to reflect this new find. Thus, I removed Fire-Watcher's Oath, Celestial Defender's Medallion, Sky Lantern and Harmonious Porcupette from the list.

Teroclaw Hatchling
I also added Teroclaw Hatchling as it too has fallen victim to the dreaded level requirement nonsense. So make sure to get yourself one now (or two or three). You'll want one if we ever get pet battles unlocked!

Warning
Also, also, would like to add a warning here. There is a lot of things that have had level requirements placed on them. If there is something you want but have not gotten, you may wish to check the PTR or ask me to check for you. If I had to guess, I'd wager that most things have them now.

Here's an example of how ridiculous it is. They put a level requirement on a fishing pool. I was still able to loot for whatever reason but it's everywhere. Blizzard be like "We put that shit on everything!"

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