Level 59 guild in BC

Edit: I never did finish my character for 59s in TBC or play it. In the process of gearing I predicted the bracket would die so I gave up on it. And it did die. I've instead had fun in the 69 bracket, where months later things are now dying down as well. I'll leave this post here as it was all those months ago. Rest in peace 59s ambition.

(Warning: Many copy/paste item descriptions ahead. Precede at your own risk. Very long post). I plan to form a lvl 59 guild in BC. With help from level 70's it will be much for feasible to obtain BiS level 59s than in vanilla. Although the deeper talent trees and lack of some 60+ abilities will have an impact.

A lot of the BiS gear is from outlands but you will need to go back to vanilla content as well. If you are interested keep reading but if not then this thread won't do anything for you. If you find any cool items I miss please feel free to post it.

If queues can stay alive, 59 seems like a bracket that could be really fun in BC for twink vs twink BGs or some randoms stomping. Guild is going to be Horde but I'll expand to Alliance as well if necessary to support games queues.

(Question: Does anyone remember how outlands random bonus BoE greens worked? I remember that they had really good stats and I think they had tittles like sorcerer with stam/int/spell power and such. I'm pretty sure that is how is worked and if not it was a wotlk change.)

For example, these could be really good but I simply don't know what kinda of procs they will have.

Combustion Dagger
Binds when equipped
Main Hand Dagger
45.99 - 93.99 Damage Speed 1.70
(41.2 damage per second)
Durability 55 / 55
Item level 87
Requires Level 59
Random Bonuses
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 21.

Glorious Scepter
Binds when equipped
Main Hand Mace
45.99 - 93.99 Damage Speed 1.70
(41.2 damage per second)
Durability 75 / 75
Item level 87
Requires Level 59
Random Bonuses
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 39 and damage done by up to 13 for all magical spells and effects.

I've played since 2005 but I honestly do not remember a lot of stuff from back that far. I did have a 59 twink for awhile and it was a lot of fun. Currently getting information from this cite if you want to search around yourself. It's not as developed as wowhead but there isn't as many ads.

https://tbc-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?spells=11.202#0-7+1

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There are some extremely powerful engineering gear that 59's can use. Here's some examples.

Foreman's Enchanted Helmet
Binds when picked up
Head Cloth
132 Armor
+48 Stamina
+30 Intellect
Durability 60 / 60
Item level 95
Requires Engineering (350)
Requires Goblin Engineer
Equip: +10% Stun Resistance.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 36.

These stats are crazy for a 59 and everyone loves more stun resist.

Gnomish Battle Goggles
Binds when picked up
Head Leather
249 Armor
+21 Stamina
Durability 70 / 70
Item level 95
Requires Engineering (375)
Requires Gnomish Engineer
Equip: Increases attack power by 100.
Equip: Increases your critical strike rating by 28.

Foreman's Reinforced Helmet
Binds when picked up
Head Mail
550 Armor
+48 Stamina
+30 Agility
Durability 85 / 85
Item level 95
Requires Engineering (350)
Requires Goblin Engineer
Equip: Increases attack power by 62.
Equip: Increases your chance to resist Stun and Disorient effects by 10%.

Gnomish Power Goggles
Binds when picked up
Head Cloth
132 Armor
+21 Intellect
Durability 60 / 60
Item level 95
Requires Engineering (375)
Requires Gnomish Engineer
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 59.
Equip: Increases your spell critical strike rating by 28.

Rocket Boots Xtreme
Binds when equipped
Feet Leather
196 Armor
Durability 50 / 50
Item level 112
Requires Engineering (330)
Equip: Increases attack power by 80.

Rocket Boots Xtreme Lite
Binds when equipped
Feet Cloth
105 Armor
Durability 40 / 40
Item level 112
Requires Engineering (330)
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 47.

So, I'm not seeing the on use of these boots but it had a short buff that dramatically increased speed. Fun for flying across maps with slow fall effects.

Gnomish Poultryizer
Binds when equipped
Trinket
+45 Stamina
Item level 68
Requires Engineering (340)
Requires Gnomish Engineer
Use: Turns the target into a chicken for 15sec. Well, that is assuming the transmogrification polarity has not been reversed...

Goblin Rocket Launcher
Binds when equipped
Trinket
+45 Stamina
Item level 70
Requires Engineering (350)
Requires Goblin Engineer
Use: Fire a powerful rocket at the enemy that does 960 to 1441 damage and stuns them for 3 sec. This thing has quite a kick though...

This is not as good as it looks but its interesting. Tons of stamina. The on use is a 45 range 5 second cast.

Onto Leatherworking

Heavy Knothide Armor Kit
Item level 70
Requires Level 60
Use: Permanently increase the Stamina of an item worn on the head, chest, shoulders, legs, hands or feet by 10. Only usable on items level 60 and above.

From what I've read these CAN be applied through the trade window to items as long as the item is ilvl 60+. Which is an easy requirement to fill for a lvl 59. I would honestly use this over +100 hitpoints since stamina scales. Mostly this is something for shoulders. I think this is the only shoulder enchant you can get at 59 besides +5 resist from Argent Dawn.

Nethercleft Leg Armor
Item level 73
Requires Level 60
Use: Permanently attach nethercleft leg armor onto pants to increase Stamina by 40 and Agility by 12.

These can not be applied through trade window and will need to go on a BoE it sounds like. Obviously still worth it.

Going to skip jewlcrafting. It has a few decent pieces for low level brackets but nothing for 59 except mayyybeee this

Band of Natural Fire
Binds when equipped
Finger
Item level 62
Requires Level 57
Equip: Increases damage done by Nature spells and effects by up to 29.
Equip: Increases damage done by Fire spells and effects by up to 29.

I think this is the only thing to get from tailoring. Caster version of nethercleft. Again I'm not sure if it can go through trade window. Sounds like it might need to be a BoE.

Runic Spellthread
Item level 75
Requires Level 60
Use: Permanently embroiders spellthread into pants, increasing spell damage and healing by up to 35 and Stamina by 20.

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Ok moving onto some of the interesting outlands green quest items

Rod of the Void Caller
Binds when picked up
Two-hand Staff
121 - 193 Damage Speed 2.80
(56.1 damage per second)
+48 Stamina
+13 Intellect
Durability 85 / 85
Item level 93
Improves spell critical strike rating by 18.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 30.

Despite not having the best Spell power, this staff is still undeniably amazing while obtainable at 59. Any caster not going glass cannon will want this for that massive stamina.

Expedition Caster's Band
Binds when picked up
Finger
+10 Intellect
+13 Stamina
Item level 93
Improves spell critical strike rating by 9.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 11.
Equip: Restores 4 mana per 5 sec.

Cushy Cenarion Walkers
Binds when picked up
Feet Cloth
80 Armor
+16 Intellect
+18 Stamina
+11 Spirit
Durability 35 / 35
Item level 93
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 37 and damage done by up to 13 for all magical spells and effects.

Infiltrator's Cloak
Binds when picked up
Back Cloth
56 Armor
+10 Intellect
+10 Stamina
+6 Spirit
Item level 90
Improves spell critical strike rating by 10.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 12.

I'm not going to list all the other outland green quest items since most are not THAT impressive and it would take way too much space but they are all rather solid. If I remember correctly the "random bonus" on green outlands BoE gear was actually really good (like sorcerer proc gave stam/int/spellpow) so those items might actually be BiS over the available quest items! Like it seemed as if you could just buy BoE gear and enchants and not be far off of BIS.

So here are the amazing outland quest trinkets. Pops these to destroy stuff. That crit rating is almost 2% by the way. The other gear I'll list is other outlands blues you can get through quests. I believe they are all BiS but might compete with vanilla pieces, like Zul'Gurub. Lots of blue chest pieces. I'm sure I'll miss some but you get the idea. I will NOT list legs since it seems that the leg enchants might not be able to go onto anything except BoE items. Head piece is pointless too since engineering is so damn broken.

Bladefist's Breadth
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Item level 88
Increases your critical strike rating by 26.
Use: Increases attack power by 200 for 15sec.

Vengeance of the Illidari
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Item level 88
Improves spell critical strike rating by 26.
Use: Increases spell damage done by up to 120 and healing done by up to 220 for 15sec.

Goldweave Tunic
Binds when picked up
Chest Cloth
118 Armor
+15 Intellect
+13 Stamina
+8 Spirit
Durability 80 / 80
Item level 85
Improves spell critical strike rating by 14.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 42.

Shadowcast Tunic
Binds when picked up
Chest Cloth
122 Armor
+15 Intellect
+21 Stamina
Durability 80 / 80
Item level 88
Improves spell critical strike rating by 14.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 44.

Sacred Feather Vest
Binds when picked up
Chest Leather
225 Armor
+10 Spirit
+13 Intellect
+15 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Item level 85
Improves spell critical strike rating by 14.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 42.

Bonechewer Berserker's Vest
Binds when picked up
Chest Mail
491 Armor
+13 Intellect
+15 Stamina
+14 Agility
Durability 120 / 120
Item level 85
Equip: Restores 4 mana per 5 sec.
Equip: Increases attack power by 72.

Darkstorm Tunic
Binds when picked up
Chest Leather
232 Armor
+22 Stamina
+21 Agility
Durability 100 / 100
Item level 88
Equip: Increases attack power by 76.

Jerkin of the Untamed Spirit
Binds when picked up
Chest Leather
425 Armor
+26 Strength
+25 Agility
+22 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Item level 85

Gilded Crimson Chestplate
Binds when picked up
Chest Plate
873 Armor
+13 Intellect
+14 Strength
+15 Stamina
Durability 135 / 135
Item level 85
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 42.
Equip: Restores 4 mana per 5 sec.

Battlemaster's Breastplate
Binds when picked up
Chest Plate
902 Armor
+21 Agility
+38 Strength
+22 Stamina
Durability 135 / 135
Item level 88

Handguards of Precision
Binds when picked up
Unique
Hands Mail
307 Armor
+28 Stamina
+20 Agility
Durability 40 / 40
Item level 85
Equip: Increases attack power by 38.

Sure-Step Boots
Binds when picked up
Unique
Feet Leather
155 Armor
+20 Agility
+28 Stamina
Durability 50 / 50
Item level 85
Equip: Increases attack power by 38.

Fleshripper's Bladed Chestplate
Binds when picked up
Chest Plate
794 Armor
+36 Strength
+22 Stamina
Durability 135 / 135
Item level 85
Increases your critical strike rating by 14.
Increases your hit rating by 13.

Jade Warrior Pauldrons
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Plate
655 Armor
+20 Strength
+28 Stamina
+19 Agility
Durability 80 / 80
Item level 85

Mantle of Magical Might
Binds when picked up
Unique
Shoulder Cloth
88 Armor
+17 Intellect
+16 Stamina
+10 Spirit
Durability 50 / 50
Item level 85
Improves spell critical strike rating by 16.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 19.

Perfectly Balanced Cape
Binds when picked up
Back Cloth
61 Armor
+15 Agility
+22 Stamina
Item level 88
Equip: Increases attack power by 30.

Holy Healing Band
Binds when picked up
Unique
Finger
+15 Intellect
Item level 88
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 33 and damage done by up to 11 for all magical spells and effects.
Equip: Restores 6 mana per 5 sec.

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Ok now for some vanilla pieces. Many are BiS currently in classic. I say some because I'm tried and this is taking awhile. I'm not going to link ZG epic gear but I'm sure people can find it.

Flaming Band
Binds when picked up
Finger
Item level 61
Requires Level 56
Random Bonuses
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 20.

From UBRS boss. The best bonus appears to be eagle +6 stamina/+6 Intellect.

Fordring's Seal
Binds when picked up
Finger
+5 Intellect
+4 Stamina
Item level 63
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 37 and damage done by up to 13 for all magical spells and effects.

Great ring in vanilla and BC for heals.

Blackhand's Breadth
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Item level 63
Equip: Increases your critical strike rating by 28.

Surprisingly, I think this will no longer be used. You can probably skip this. Spell version too.

Briarwood Reed
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Item level 60
Requires Level 55
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 29.

This is probably still worth using, but perhaps while other stuff is on CD.

Hand of Justice
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Item level 58
Requires Level 53
Equip: Chance on melee hit to gain 1 extra attack.
Equip: Increases attack power by 20.

Still good but there is other nice options.

Dark Advisor's Pendant
Binds when picked up
Neck
+8 Stamina
+7 Intellect
Item level 61
Requires Level 56
Equip: Increases damage done by Shadow spells and effects by up to 20.

Probably BiS for warlock. Spriest might prefer something else, like ZG.

Amulet of the Dawn
Binds when picked up
Neck
+13 Intellect
+13 Stamina
Item level 60
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 15.

This could be a PITA to get. Probably skip for a boe green or ZG neck.

Hide of the Wild
Binds when equipped
Back Cloth
55 Armor
+10 Intellect
+8 Stamina
Item level 62
Requires Level 57
Equip: Increases healing done by up to 42 and damage done by up to 14 for all magical spells and effects.

BiS healer cloak

Dryad's Wrist Bindings
Binds when picked up
Wrist Cloth
43 Armor
+6 Intellect
+6 Spirit
+7 Stamina
Durability 35 / 35
Item level 55
Requires Level 50
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 20.

Crystalline Threaded Cape
Binds when equipped
Back Cloth
45 Armor
+4 Intellect
+5 Stamina
Item level 63
Requires Level 58
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 20.

Ok, I'm tired of searching items for now. You get the idea. There is some great gear here and twinks will feel powerful.

Well, seems no one has anything to add yet. That's fine - BC is over a year away anyways.

I've had to do a little digging but I was correct about the BoE greens and their powerful named bonus effects. I'll just post the information directly from this site.

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Item_suffix

"Modifiers on items have very specific drop rules. The suffixes such as Physician and Prophet will only be found on Cloth gear. Other ones like Hierophant will only drop as Leather gear. Bandit will drop as Leather and Mail gear to facilitate the classes that would most benefit from it. The drop rates are also widely variable. The more standard types such as Beast and Sorcerer will drop quite frequently, while more obscure suffixes like Knight are very rare, and will only drop as Rare quality (Blue) gear.

You will notice that some suffixes add the same stats. These are differentiated by the amount of each stat available on the piece of gear, based on which stat is emphasized."

And here is a big barf paste of the 'suffix' effects.

of Blocking
+Block Rating +Strength
of Battle
+Strength +Stamina +Critical Strike Rating
of the Ancestor
+Strength +Critical Strike Rating +Stamina
of the Bandit
+Agility +Stamina +Attack Power
of the Beast
+Strength +Agility +Stamina
of the Champion
+Strength +Stamina +Defense Rating
of the Crusade
+Spell Damage and Healing +Intellect +Defense Rating
of the Elder
+Stamina +Intellect +Mana Regeneration
of the Grove
+Strength +Agility +Stamina
of the Hunt
+Attack Power +Agility +Intellect
of the Hierophant
+Stamina +Spirit +Healing
of the Invoker
+Intellect +Spell Damage and Healing +Spell Critical Strike Rating
of the Knight
+Stamina +Spell Damage and Healing +Defense Rating
of the Mind
+Spell Damage and Healing +Spell Critical Strike Rating +Intellect
of the Nightmare
+Shadow Damage +Stamina +Intellect
of the Physician
+Stamina +Intellect +Healing
of the Prophet
+Intellect +Spirit +Healing
of the Shadow
+Attack Power +Agility +Stamina
of the Soldier
+Strength +Stamina +Critical Strike Rating
of the Sorcerer
+Stamina +Intellect +Spell Damage and Healing
of the Sun
+Spell Damage and Healing +Stamina +Intellect
of the Vision
+Spell Damage and Healing +Intellect +Stamina
of the Wild
+Attack Power +Stamina +Agility

My 59 twink in BC was a warlock and I used a lot of green "of the Sorcerer" gear because it had good stats and spell power. Another common suffix I would see was "of the Invoker". I had to use them sometimes due to scarcity of options on the AH but it was not ideal because as warlock I didn't want to give up stamina.

I do not think that the 57 - 59 BoE greens could be all of these possibilities but I do not know for sure. It seemed like some of these suffix bonuses only procced on higher level gear. That or only the most popular version ended up on the AH and the rest got vendered.

Update: It appears that some suffix only appears on blue quality gear and the only outlands BoEs you can get at 59 are green.

As I've said earlier, these BoE greens will make up a lot of your 59 twinks gear but there you will definitely need to pursue some of the BiS slots elsewhere.
[doublepost=1589256832,1589253246][/doublepost]Time for some theory crafting BiS lists. Not that it is very complicated.

I'll probably remake my warlock before anything else so I'll start with that.

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Note: If I mention "BoE green" I mean the aforementioned OP gear.

Warlock

Note: 2 piece ZG gear set is only slightly superior to alterative options. The ZG neck as a 3 piece is also barely better.

Engineering Head.

Engineering Boots.


Back. Crystalline Threaded Cape, 58 vanilla BoE Blue. Alternative: Hide of the Wild, 57 Epic BoE (even though it's a healer cloak lol) OR Infiltrator's Cloak, outlands quest green.

Outlands Quest Blue Chest - Shadowcast Tunic

Wrist. ZG wrists. Friendly reputation. Alternative: WSG lvl 50 epic bracers - Dryad's Wrist Bindings

Rings. 1. Flaming Band from UBRS. 2. Maiden's Circle, 55 vanilla Blue BoE. Alternatives: Eye of Orgrimmar/Songstone of Ironforge from vanilla quests. For stats, Expedition Caster's Band from Outlands Quest is good.

Trinkets. 1. Vengeance of the Illidari, Outlands Quest Blue. 2. Briarwood Reed, 55 vanilla Blue for spell power + Insignia of the Alliance/Horde. Alternatives: Strength of the High Chief - same as Briar but from quests.

Hands. BoE green or Fellcloth Gloves, 57 tailoring Blue Gloves.

Waist, Legs, Main Hand Weapon, Off-hand. BoE green "of the Sorcerer".
Weapon MUST be 'Combustion Dagger.' Alternatives: Outlands quest gear. Whichever has better stats. Rod of the Void Caller staff for extra stamina.

Wand. Skul's Ghastly Touch, 52 stratholme Blue. Alternative: BoE green / outland quest green. Maybe, Ritssyn's Wand of Bad Mojo, 58 Blue wand from Baron Rivendale.

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Spriest is a natural follow up and uses mostly the same gear as warlock above. I'll emphasis the differences.

Shadow Priest

Note: NO ZG gear, because that's healing gear.

Neck: Dark Advisor's Pendant / Amulet of the Dawn from vanilla / BoE green.

Shoulder: Outland Quest Blue - Mantle of Magical Might. Alternative: BoE green

Wrist: WSG lvl 50 epic bracers - Dryad's Wrist Bindings / BoE green.

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Healing priest is going to be a bit different.

Holy/Disc Priest

Note: To be determined whether BoEs are superior to ZG for healing. ZG probably wins but it will be close. You want green BoE 'of the physician' I think. This is assuming you aren't going to heal in mostly dps gear.

Neck: ZG exalted / BoE green / Animated Chain Necklace, 57 blue from Stratholme / Crimson Pendant of Clarity, outland quest blue

Shoulder: ZG revered / BoE green. Altnerative: Mantle of Magical Might

Back. Hide of the Wild, 57 BoE Epic.

Chest: Either of the Blue Quest Chests from Outlands.

Wrist: ZG friendly / BoE green / WSG epic

Gloves: Desert Bloom Gloves, Vanilla Quest Blue. Alternative: BoE green.

Waist: ZG honored / BoE green.

Legs. BoE green (only because I don't think you can leg enchant a BoP). Otherwise, Deadly Borer Leggings, Blue Outland Quest legs.

Boots. If you are too squishy for engineering boots then use, Cushy Cenarion Walkers, outland quest green.

Rings. 1. Holy Healing Band, Outlands Quest Blue. 2. Fordring's Seal, vanilla Quest Blue. Alternatives: BoE green / (Band of Piety. Band of Mending. Flaming Band) vanilla blues

Trinkets. 1. Vengeance of the Illidari, Outlands Quest Blue. 2. Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas (priest), DM quest / 45 stamina engineering trinkets / pvp trinket / Briarwood Reed, UBRS.

Main-hand weapon. BoE green mace. Glorious Scepter 'of the phycisian'

Off-hand. BoE green / Brightly Glowing Stone, 58 Blue from DM North. Alternatives: Dps offhand from BoE green or outland quest green.

Wand. BoE green. Alternative: outlands quest green wand - Desolation Rod.

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Mage

Engineering head/boots of course.

Neck. BoE green / Crimson Pendant of Clarity, Outland Quest Blue / Amulet of the Dawn, quest epic from vanilla. Alt: Chains of the Lich, 55 neck from scourge invasion (can only be grandfathered).

Shoulders. Outland Quest Blue - Mantle of Magical Might

Back. Crystalline Threaded Cape, 58 vanilla BoE Blue / Infiltrator's Cloak, outlands quest green.

Outlands Quest Blue Chest - Shadowcast Tunic

I found this thread legitimately really helpful, thank you!

If you want to plan a 59 twink for BC try this site https://seventyupgrades.com (don't need to sign up) and obviously set your level to 59 instead of 70. You can see all the items with random suffixes too.

I will eventually make an updated version in the TBC forum that is more accurate now that we have more TBC information and there is a valid gear planner. I made this thread 10 months ago. I apparently didn't realize you could use ZG shoulder enchant at the time.

The gear planner will be a godsend in place of trying to type everything out. I'll start creating some links to put into the eventual TBC thread. You can ignore these for now. Going to do balanced and throughput sets. The ideal set is likely something inbetween the two.

warlock balanced

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/fizWL2gP73SNKSTj6mEoQm

Warlock glass cannon

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/gdx5guC9pxRntUNEEp7FRo

Disc heals

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/xun2UQhJVNyFKRh7fPyx87

Disc balanced

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/4Xz1yFN36rXaf4Fi77XiQ6

Spriest balanced

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/vEZnhWHnQc9t3UB5PWkFmg

Spriest glass cannon

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/gWDW2whvWUPLEuc39nudC4

Arms balanced

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/5dKZ6i4s86fSNsE4N6germ

Arms glass cannon

https://seventyupgrades.com/set/3DgJ8FRg7Ns7P4BUPDMm85