Does Weapon Skill (+5 Orc & Goldminer's Helm +7) work in BG's?

Neccris

Neccris

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Hey

Currently getting my Enhance ready for the 39 bracket, some of the information in the 39 section has been really helpful <3

I've failed to find any confirmation or testing results from true vanilla to prove if these skills actually worked in BG's, I've read that your weapon skill is maxed for your lv in a BG but not if these buffs push you over the cap and reduce miss, dodge or parry. Anybody with more experience than me have any knowledge on this? As I've managed to snag a PoD i'm wondering if the Goldminer's +7 to axes is worth the money or not, whether it effects 2H axes or not is another question on its own ^^

Thanks in advance,

Neccris
 
ive heard it go both ways, and now im hearing it only gives +7 to 1h axes. unless making money is hard for you id say make the investment and settle the score once and for all. im waiting for it to pop on my ah but my server is dead af now..
 
As far as I've ever known, the only thing that matters in PvP is raw Hit % and what is needed versus an equal level target is 5%. I do not believe PvP combat functions with Defense or Weapon skill and therefore should not check for +5/7 Axe versus equal level defender's defense skill.

Goldminer's Helm and Edgemaster's Handguards do not grant any additional benefit in pvp combat.
 
Weapon skills are maxed in PvP combat, so leveling a weapon skill for PvP is relatively unimportant. When attacking an enemy player, your weapon skill will always be considered to be your level times 5 (X*5), and your target's Defense will always be treated as their level times 5 (X*5) before any Defense rating from your target's gear is taken into account.

While weapon skill does not affect your chance to hit enemy players in battlegrounds, it still affects your hit chance against enemy players in world PvP or duels.

//source:
https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/classic-wow-weapon-skills#comments:id=3161016
 
Wrong again, but I'm done fighting this fight. Bonuses to weapon skills of course bump you past max skill and effect combat in and out of BGs.

Also check this thread for more info. Someone did at least prove that the Goldminer helm only does one hand axe skill.
 
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Im not sure you could even prove or disprove the added benefit at any rate, and if you cant tell then it's just preference.

If you feel like it helps, get it! That's the most affect youll be seeing from most any marginal BiS upgrade anyway.
 
Yes you can, it will increase your crit, you should be able to math it out...
 
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Another one of these threads/posts in like 2 days ???


its 0.2 crit and hit in bgs

just stop and dont even think about it.


just stop

Every thread about pvp and weapon skill in bgs should now automatically be locked and the OP ridiculed .

Its still nice to see bg mongoloids choosing gear with over 100+ hp/other primary stat/10+ DPS less because of some + 5 weapon skill (lol)


to answer your question that helmet is vendor trash tier/RP shitter tier. Raging zerker helm>
 
Goldminers helmet is excellent for molten core.

39s not so much. People just wanna use it cause +weapon skill is unique and exciting; it makes them feel like real theory crafters.
 
The only good part is that I can sell them for 100+ on the ah lol.
[doublepost=1575101822,1575093583][/doublepost]Also to be fair OP was asking about racials too, the thread just devolved.

So yeah, racial weapon bonuses work in BGs. The idea that they don't comes from people misinterpreting a line in this wowhead 'guide'.
 
Warglave said:
Ok, when you can tell which extra crit you got out of 200 or whatever was because you added the helm you let us know.
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Not sure what you mean here. You simply swap gear around to determine how much crit 4 agi gives you, then take off your helm and check your crit. Finally equip your helm and subtract the 4 agi worth of crit and compare that number to your crit without a helm. Simple lol!
 
What I mean is you will not notice the difference 0.5% crit makes or whatever. Ever. You cannot.

Say you live with 20 HP, you can say "Cool, that extra stam worked!" or kill someone by a few damage points - "Awesome, that extra AP worked!".... but you CANNOT EVER say "THAT crit was due to my extra 0.5% from my helm!" Sorry. Nope.

You will never, ever, ever, ever FEEL or SEE the difference we're talking about here. Ever. Unless you're below hit cap and miss once you'll never see the actual affect of such a minimal adjustment. You can "math it out" all you want but not SEE.

edit- SO... if having the helm makes you feel like it will give you advantage, wear it! That's the most you'll get out of it.

Sure, if you want to sim it 7000 times you can get an estimated gain ---> but never see it in any single altercation.
 
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I see, misunderstood your comment. I've got no dog in the fight (since Goldminer's only applies to 1h axes) and just thought you were saying one couldn't determine the number.

If it did apply to 2h axes though it would be a serious discussion for PoD shammy.
 
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