EU+US help me improve this nasty ret
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ohti
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1 str to cloak is a yikes. personally i'd reach for gift of versa because (i'm pretty sure) it stacks with minor speed increase
have you tried for epic plate quest helms? they might be good for more dmg if you can proc them
use that extra paci you have for wep swapping
dusk powder if you can help it maybe
trade glitch legs maybe? adaptable is pretty solid but trade glitched dominas or something might give more dmg output (maybe not just a thought)
also I think you should reach for that 1900hp too, if not even higher.
str enchants are rough cause crusader does most of your str stat, i'd recommend going for 2ndaries or more stamina
you can get sporid cape for 1 extra vers
you can get dungeon belt 3/5 instead of 5/3
have you tried for epic plate quest helms? they might be good for more dmg if you can proc them
use that extra paci you have for wep swapping
dusk powder if you can help it maybe
trade glitch legs maybe? adaptable is pretty solid but trade glitched dominas or something might give more dmg output (maybe not just a thought)
also I think you should reach for that 1900hp too, if not even higher.
str enchants are rough cause crusader does most of your str stat, i'd recommend going for 2ndaries or more stamina
you can get sporid cape for 1 extra vers
you can get dungeon belt 3/5 instead of 5/3
ohti
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that too god damn 1800 horde pally looks ASS
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hello I have a couple days left on game time and I'm gonna be farming the arena ladder on my ret
I need it to be perfect before my sub ends and I think i've done a good job so far but im open for critcism
only thing im debating is whether to swap cloak and wrist enchant to stamina to get a healthy 1900 hp. Even after that swap i'll more strength than your common ret (sitting 143 strenght rn)
if I can get a belt that yields more vers I'll be able to hit 20% vers and still maintain 13% crit
I go defending champion/and then swap the 2nd trinket slot between the engineering net trinket, the shrink ray, and the the coren direbrew one depending on the situation. 6 str one could be good too. Basically anything but double defending champion.
Titanforged felforged head is better than the head you have currently offering more dps and some crit. Sporrid Cape with minor speed and versatility is better than what you currently have. 5/3 verse/crit belt is bis currently so get that. Glitched enchant legs are better than adaptable, might as well go all out, otherwise boa with enchant is decent for the crit. Everything else looks decent enough.
I'd make two sets, one for max str/output for when you have a group, and one with more hp for when you are playing solo or doing arenas.
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I should of specified (kinda did) that i'm looking more of an arena scenario
but all the advice is really good
Pretty sure none of those trinkets work in Arena, the arena trinkets do. i could be wrong tho. I've had game time for too long I forgot
but even outside arenas, can you explain to me why you don't find double arena trinkets to be good?
they offer great stamina and versatility. their on use only shares a 20 sec CD.
I have every trinket in game pretty much, so i'll follow your advice outside arenas
EDIT: one more thing about the cloak. I have gonk loa which gives me 5% movement speed. That and minor speed should be enough to keep me connected to targets. Was debating 1 strength vs 2 stam enchant is all.
Also sporid cape, i know its better but common. epic swag
but all the advice is really good
I was hoping to have decent healing for my partners in arena while my sader isnt up. It really depends if I can stay connected to get those sader procsYou have to stack more stamina. Crusader deal damage, not 4 strenght more
thanks will look into the claok. and yeah I might go stamina enchants
I have warforged helm tops lol is that better than master engineers?
Pretty sure none of those trinkets work in Arena, the arena trinkets do. i could be wrong tho. I've had game time for too long I forgot
but even outside arenas, can you explain to me why you don't find double arena trinkets to be good?
they offer great stamina and versatility. their on use only shares a 20 sec CD.
I have every trinket in game pretty much, so i'll follow your advice outside arenas
EDIT: one more thing about the cloak. I have gonk loa which gives me 5% movement speed. That and minor speed should be enough to keep me connected to targets. Was debating 1 strength vs 2 stam enchant is all.
Also sporid cape, i know its better but common. epic swag
Chops
Soccer Dad
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I should of specified (kinda did) that i'm looking more of an arena scenario
but all the advice is really good
I was hoping to have decent healing for my partners in arena while my sader isnt up. It really depends if I can stay connected to get those sader procs
thanks will look into the claok. and yeah I might go stamina enchants
I have warforged helm tops lol is that better than master engineers?
Pretty sure none of those trinkets work in Arena, the arena trinkets do. i could be wrong tho. I've had game time for too long I forgot
but even outside arenas, can you explain to me why you don't find double arena trinkets to be good?
they offer great stamina and versatility. their on use only shares a 20 sec CD.
I have every trinket in game pretty much, so i'll follow your advice outside arenas
EDIT: one more thing about the cloak. I have gonk loa which gives me 5% movement speed. That and minor speed should be enough to keep me connected to targets. Was debating 1 strength vs 2 stam enchant is all.
Also sporid cape, i know its better but common. epic swag
it's essentially 7 stamina and barely any versatility. For arena you might as well go agm and defending champ if you're going that route or str for more killing power. Depends on your comp and if you need survivability or landing kills. I didn't read that you are mainly focusing on arena, my bad there.
I'm unsure about warforged head but its easy to tell which gives more dps through tooltips. I would say you need to decide on whether or not you want survivability or dps/burst ability since this set is too far in the middle imo. Stuff like the adaptable legs and bracers make no sense combined with your engi head and stam gloves.
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Don't you mean 14 stam / 10 vers? its 2 of them they add up right?
Also why defending champ over returning champ? do you mind explaining the on use, returning champ actually heals you, while defending just increases HP. which ones better?
I was actually shooting for a balanced set.
The idea I had behind all the versatility is hitting that 20%. In my head I was thinking that 10% damage reduction would become valuable. Or do you still recommend AGM? (and in the "balance" state of mind, the versatility also offers slightly more damage)
i think i kinda got delusive from seeing that high Vers % number
Eddie
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tbh I prefer aurora>quickbalde on ret pal just for higher crusader procs. and strength trinket>2nd stam boa. lamberts cloak is really good as well. Ret pally has strong heals and great burst so you can sacrifice some stamina to gain strength and its not too critical as long as you fake the kicks
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The heal one is better for arena, I wasn't aware that they were different, although in bgs I believe the health increase one is superior macro'd in with using the neck heal personally (assuming someone else would heal you at some point).
I think in arenas the slight health increase and on use shield will end up providing more health than the ~1% damage reduction. You're going to have to take about 30k damage in a single arena to get around the same damage reduction from the vers you get using the 2nd defending/returning champ trinket.
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Even bigger news, I found out theres a better enchant with 3 stamina
just dont know what they scale toIf i wear my felforge helm I get slightly/hardly more damage
but it completes my mog making it not look so bad ThinkingFace
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Are you also aware that they only share a 20 sec cooldown
meaning if I use the health increase one it just puts the healing one on a 20 sec CD. the on use is really good and thats why I stood by it.
yeah I will do that every 15 min lol
for some reason arenas dont reset CDs anymore
Chops
Soccer Dad
with a crusader proc, youre looking at a difference between 243 and 247 str. Just... not gonna matter.
But 8 stam? thats a tick or two depending on the dot. Thats worth considering.
Chops
Soccer Dad
oh thank god
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i contemplated this and realized how ridiculous your judgement is considering all your toons mogs are str8 dogshit