Few random 69 questions.

I was wondering what 60-69 bracket uses as guardian elixir? The only decent thing I have been able to find so far is scroll of stamina vI I believe. Is there something better?

I was also wondering if there is a shoulder enchant I can use without having to spend days trying to get trade glitch to work?

Last question I swear. I stumbled across the thrallmar +7 intellect gems in hellfire and was wondering if they are level 70 required or can a 69 use them? The tool tip or wow head doesn't say. I have spent last few days running Sims on my disc in healing/helter skelter mode and have changed alot of my gear out to achieve more equal Stat weights. Now I'm at a point that my crit weight is so low that I would benift more from a few + 7 intellect over +5 intellect +5 crit gems. There is no gear I'm aware of that is currently obtainable which will give me a better Stat weight over what I am currently wearing. If you guys know of some items that might improve me please point me in the right direction. I just thought I'd ask about the gems before I starting grinding thrallmar marks. Here is link to my 69 disc.

Edit: thought I should mention before people recommend gear that I have almost all socketed gear out of the adventure guide and none of it or the few things I don't have yet is an upgrade Stat weight wise over what I'm currently wearing. I also have both quest ammys from northrend. If there is an upgrade for me it will be from a quest I don't know about.

Also I play a 69 horde disc on illidan . My btag is everdim#1930. Myself or my guild hasn't been very active in the 19 scene for awhile now but I do run 69 bg's every night. Add me if you need a less than average healer for bg's.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/illidan/Wickedlust

well at 69 you can use BC flasks so no need for guardian. But scroll of stamina is pretty much the best available at 60. you should be able to use one +7 int gem. IIRC they are unique equipped

as far as shoulder enchant w/o glitching, either use heirloom or get inscription as profession so you can enchant your own shoulders. or use a stamina armor kit

Alchemist's Flask scales all the way to lv90, at lv85 it proves 37 main stat.

Thanks for the replies guys.

I ran the numbers and 2 of the flask are weaker than the battle + guardian combo because flask just buffs my holy or shadow tree, not both. I'm disc so i use both holy and shadow a lot. Shadowmend is a shadow skill and I do a lot of healing through atonement via damage done and penance and shield is holy. Unless there is a flask that i missed. I looked at both learned and unlearned. The vers flask is the only one that came close and that was without counting the 8 stam from scroll. Right now I use elixir of healing power =15 sp /15 vers and 8 stam scroll and 32 intellect wizard oil and +7 vers +7 sp food. I was just looking for something better.

I had already looked at the alchemist's trinket and it is weaker than the 2 i run. At level 69 alchemist's gives 23 intellect and for me has a stat weight of 13.34. The abyssal trinket i run has a stat weight of 21.05. That is figuring it at 20% proc rate. It actually has a proc rate of 20.43% according to simc. The forge ember trinket i run has a proc rate a little under 20% but still has a stat weight of 15.13. I would almost trade the forge trinket for alchemist's because a solid primary is something you can count on but i have put a lot of gold into enchanting and engineering. I would hate to lose nitro boost on belt from engineering and the enchanting is just so handy.

Fully buffed my intellect is 633 and spell power is 715 standing in org. When my trinkets proc 20% of time i hit 983 spell power. about half of time they will be proc'd at same-ish time.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13511/flask-of-distilled-wisdom

this is better than pots forgot that int specs get one earlier

holy shit batman! Thats the good stuff. thank you very much sir. I didnt look at the vanilla flask.

Your stat weights are off. If me saying this isn't enough to convince you to have a deeper look into how you are getting your numbers, you can always wait until I'm in front of my home PC and Ill run your numbers myself.

Either way; proc rate has very little to do with effective output, look into your Details aura log and get uptime to get a better idea as to trinket effectiveness.

Crits are only 50% effective in pvp; make sure to take that into account as well.

Haste affects trinket PPM and ICD, and there will likely be a perfect amount of haste that benefits the type of engagements you face in PvP most that cannot be calculated by a Sim.

I play WoW mostly for this kind of stat optimisation, so I am open to discuss/debate any facet with an open mind, and I will humour any topic so long as we build our knowledge base from doing so.

in some realms where lvl50 and lvl60s flask mats are hard to get, and in the worst case that you have to use a battle elix and guard pot, you may want to use darkmoon pot, each darkmoon pot gives about 3% addition to that stats you are boosting, its just about 1-2% lower than a flask, good thing about darkmoon pot is its almost unlimited in supply and tons on every AHs, but an alchem flask is definitely the cheapest cos apart from the cost of the mats to make one, its free for each use after, but it gives the least benefit if i remember correctly.

Hey Wicked!
I have 4 things for you:
1. Try to balance your stats. Haste seems superior to me, but best gems are int+crit. Try to prior socketed gear for maxing Intelect by gems and try to prefer secondaries other than Crit. If you play Disc, I would suggest stacking Versatility.
2. No staff. You can get big load of Intelect by using MH+OH with pure Intelect enchants. My suggestion is Battle Mace of the High Priestress from Magisters Terrace + Manual of the Tides from WotLK quests in Borean Tundra (The Tides Turn).
3. I did quests in 1 zone of Northrend. There is a lot of viable gear so far (even without sockets). Northrend (and highly probably Outland) quests scale some gear ridiculously on 69s. Gotta find out yourself.
4. Do anniversary bosses. If you proc Warforged or sockets, the gear is viable.

You can check my armory, but I am still working on it:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/outland/Xalyah
Also this char has some good pieces of scaled quest gear I would like to obtain:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/silver-hand/Virise

Waywicked said:

I had already looked at the alchemist's trinket and it is weaker than the 2 i run.

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Just to clarify, I mentioned Alchemist's Flask which compared to Distilled Wisdom it will seem underpowered (even at 85). However, you need to take into consideration that whenever you enter or leave a battleground buffs like flasks and elixirs will be removed and you need to reapply them, this is a huge problem when you realize that some flasks are relatively expensive to craft. Alchemist's Flask is not consumed on use, so you can reapply it with not additional cost involved.

So yup, it is way more convenient, unless you PvE.

@Laernyth
Thanks for the reply. I dont know alot about the sim or stat weight yet but am really loving the idea so far. I'm about 2 days into it, so just winging most of it. I would greatly appreciate any thing you could teach me about it. I got my numbers for primary stat and proc trinkets like this..... The 23 intellect trinket x my intellect stat weight 0.58 = 13.34. Be it right or wrong I figure my proc trinkets like this, Abyssal rune has 18 haste and according to simc has an up time of 20.43% on the 145 spell power proc. SO, 18 haste x my haste stat weight is 6.84. 20% of 145 is 29. 29 x my stat weight for spell power is 14.21. 6.84 + 14.21 is 21.05. Not sure if thats how your suppose to do it or not but it seems to have worked for me so far. I did 5 x 2 1 min test on dummy. 5 test with intellect trinkets and 5 with proc trinkets and the proc trinkets did 4.1k-7.9k more damage every test. Even if my numbers are wrong I believe they have still lead me down the correct path as far as trinkets go. I figure everything myself like this because i dont trust pwn and simc to handle socket bonuses.

Sorry @Sadeian . for some reason i thought you was recommending the alchemist trinket. Trying to reply in between bg's. The alchemist flask is pretty decent idea for when i cant find black lotus herb for flask. Which seems to be the case now.

@DAXinko Thanks for the reply sir. I will look into the main hand / off hand thing. I had a guildie recommend this to me a few days ago and I looked into it but losing 2 sockets didnt add up for me. I'll look at it again today. Balanced stats is my goal and I was a hell of a lot closer before the stat weight thing. Now im setting at 255 crit with a crit weight of .16 and i have always preferred vers over crit on a healer. I would definitely like to be more balanced but I cant find any upgrades over what im wearing to balance me out. Im kinda at a stand still. I could lose the 2 piece mana etched bonus and go for vers heavy chest and shoulders but even with my current low stat weight for crit the 35 crit from 2 piece bonus still puts mana etched over any other options. I have the 5 piece mana set and have tried to substitute all 5 slots and what u see now is the highest weigh available to me.

@Merlin thanks for the reply sir. I had forgotten about the darkmoon flask. Great second option!

Yeah I did some maths and MH+1 gem+Wep enchant+OH+OH enchant > Staff+3 gems+Wep enchant
NP man and good luck with your new twink. Also try shadow with insta void eruption PvP talent. When I got used to it, I am never going back to disc (except of dungs )

@DAXinko you might be a genius sir!!! I'll let you know in a bit I'm away from my pc and can't look right now. You wouldn't happen to know name of enchants and their value at 69 would you? I have been doing the originals and have gotten a couple rings so far but no sockets yet. Best I got was a ring with speed on it. Can the gear proc with more than 1 socket? Thanks again everyone for all the information!

Main-hand 25 Intelect
Off-hand 14 Intelect

Both are called "something something Intelect". Just check AH. But be careful because there are multiple 25 Int MH and 14 Int OH enchants and some are expensive AF and some are like 200g so you just gotta read more of them but they are all called Intelect
[doublepost=1542917622,1542917459][/doublepost]Also forgot to mention - use one Nightmare Tear in your socket. It is OP scaled. I cant find any on my realm AH for some time

DAXinko said:

"something something Intelect"

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this caught my attention !!!

@DAXinko I ran the number using my current Stat weights sir and it appears you are indeed a genius and @Zisa for this idea. When my guildie mentioned this a few days ago I didn't have the off hand you suggested to test. The results are rod of blazing light 82.59. Mace of high priestess + manual of the tides 85.92. It is a up grade for me. I am going to get off hand now. The numbers are close enough that It might not be an upgrade for everyone though. So anyone reading this might want to run your weights before committing.

@Merlin I laughed my ass off when I read "something something intellect". Lol..... Way to narrow it down. Laughing now still

Great info guys, a lot here for me to consider.

Also probably going to need to watch some family guy tonight, because your "something something intellect" got me feeling nostalgic on "something something Dark Side lmao.
[doublepost=1542931316,1542931151][/doublepost]I did notice that the recommended enchant for MH+OH was 25/14...is the 33SP Enchant for MH a loss in stats by comparison to Int, or would that 33SP be more viable to run?

@Zisa Yes sir the 33 spell power is stronger. I will run 33/14 and that will make this combo even stronger. Also might add that the nightmare tear gem that was recommended above scales to +6 all stats. Never really thought about what all stats meant until today. It doesnt add to you secondary stats as far as i could tell. So, the only things it increases that pertains to a priest is intellect and stamina. That gives you + 6 intellect and +6 stamina. It is a dps loss over the 5/5 gems. But since my stat weight for crit is so low at the moment its a very very small loss for me and i gain +6 stamina. I'll run it and be glad i got it but for most people i dont think it will be an upgrade unless your going for a stamina heavy build. The +7 gems in hellfire should be considered also but the grind is tough. Not even sure if they can be equipped at lvl 69.

edit: also should add that something with the nightmare tear gem is bugged. It adds + 6 stats at level 69 but tooltip on gem and little box by gear on char screen both say +1. But my stats went up by 6.

Correction - I misunderstood other topic about 69 gems. Nightmare tear is valuable for Strength classes, coz they have no Str+crit gems. Only 6 Str gem.
Also about those enchants - what is 1 Intel in Spell power? Back in WotLK I remember 1 Agi = 2 ap + 1 crit but I may be wrong
something something something complete.

DAXinko said:

Correction - I misunderstood other topic about 69 gems. Nightmare tear is valuable for Strength classes, coz they have no Str+crit gems. Only 6 Str gem.
Also about those enchants - what is 1 Intel in Spell power? Back in WotLK I remember 1 Agi = 2 ap + 1 crit but I may be wrong
something something something complete.

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1 int is 1.15 sp assuming arcane int and wearing appropriate armor class.