Ret paladin gearing

Skrubform said:
who actually attacked who
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Lmfao - Such a snowflake.

Your first post on this thread was confusing. As someone who has no idea who 'Train' is, with no poster in this thread with the name 'Train' your comment was less than useful.

Not to mention you originally quoted about Holy pala which has a completely different stat priority and playstyle to reti. If I should have used my
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to figure out that this unknown 'Train' fella plays all 3 specs to the best standard then you're simply using the phrase common sense wrong. I think the word you're looking for is "telepathy". My girlfriend also thinks I'm well versed in those powers too.

Stop acting like a victim and accept that your posts on this thread are simply confusing and cluttering.
 
You guys are really cool for s*** talking one of the few people that actually tried to help. I've only been playing again for two weeks and I knew exactly why scrub mentioned train. Maybe if you were in touch with this bracket you would know to

@Adeimantus link your paladins Armory please. I'm currently gearing one on Alliance and would love more references. Currently have been looking at Verybeerd's profile for gear choices, would be happy to have a 2nd opinion/ see what others are doing as ret
 
Let the forum warriors have their fun. Gave my .02

Trainwreck is in the community chat. You can pick his brain on paladin if you want. Pretty chill guy I'm sure he wouldn't mind giving pointers on what/how he gears as a choice. Like any build you can go w/e you like there are arguments for all haste/crit/vers.
 
I mean you could even go haste - crit if u wanted since crit = vers. Id just say it depends on what you wanna do and how you wanna play
 
Taofight said:
Zero if you want.

You are not a warrior you do way more ranged damage. So haste is wasted in part on melee swings. It's way more enjoyable to see crits more often imo. Vers and str is very good because of healing.
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That's what I've seen most people doing. I went haste/vers because of the auto swing related proc (can't recall name). Eventually I'll try both.

Lamma said:
Ok at 39 u can get 20% haste and 20%vers aim for that, bc If u know ret u know that haste reduces CD on abilities. So you can get 1-5sec off some abilities depending on your haste that means more holy power and more damage, crit is a good choice but not the best in my opinion because of how slow its gonna feel compared to when having the haste. Plus faster off heals xD. [Also can get 20%crit and vers]
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Do you have an armory of someone with around those stats? 20 hate 20 vers is far higher than I would have thought possible.

Sanitarium said:
You guys are really cool for s*** talking one of the few people that actually tried to help. I've only been playing again for two weeks and I knew exactly why scrub mentioned train. Maybe if you were in touch with this bracket you would know to

@Adeimantus link your paladins Armory please. I'm currently gearing one on Alliance and would love more references. Currently have been looking at Verybeerd's profile for gear choices, would be happy to have a 2nd opinion/ see what others are doing as ret
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Yeah that's who I was looking at as well initially, I know he hits pretty hard from playing against him on my Shaman once. Armory is: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/Adeimantus

want to change neck, gloves, and perhaps belt for vers/haste options.
 
That guys armory is the one to follow That's better to have 100%. Crit and and vers even with high haste.
 
Skrubform said:
yay for you.. ill trust the guy that shows his skill in game not on a forum.
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Well, I actually main a Paladin and play it fairly high rating, so.

Skrubform said:
weird.. i did the same yet you eknight for him? simple statement was train plays a nasty pali in all specs and has a pretty good reasoning why he specs the way he did. Maybe go back and re-read who actually attacked who.. Still stand by my comment though. Talk to train and ask him about his reasoning he may give you a more explained reason why.
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I never attacked you, I questioned the fact you mentioned a Holy paladin on a thread built around Ret. Everyone on this website wears diapers.
 
jwl said:
Well, I actually main a Paladin and play it fairly high rating, so.



I never attacked you, I questioned the fact you mentioned a Holy paladin on a thread built around Ret. Everyone on this website wears diapers.
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Should prolly just fk off and pound sand instead of continuing to derailing a thread where someone asked for help.

JUST A THOUGHT BROH. I'M SURE UR SUPER GOOD AT 120 TINKS THEY R VERY SRS THESE DAYS
 
Sanitarium said:
Should prolly just fk off and pound sand instead of continuing to derailing a thread where someone asked for help.

JUST A THOUGHT BROH. I'M SURE UR SUPER GOOD AT 120 TINKS THEY R VERY SRS THESE DAYS
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Im not derailing a thread, I simply questioned the fact he referred to a Holy paladin on a forum post about Ret.
He then got triggered and wanted to have an entire conversation about it.
I even contributed to the OP by giving my thoughts on stat priority.

Sanitarium said:
JUST A THOUGHT BROH. I'M SURE UR SUPER GOOD AT 120 TINKS THEY R VERY SRS THESE DAYS
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Almost as serious as the 2 weeks you've been playing BFA? I am sure you're a very credible source of information regarding Paladins (LOL), but there is no need to get hostile with someone who just gave you 100k+ gold worth of items for free.

Once again, haste lowers your CDs, try to get a steady amount of aurora gear to help keep your rotation & procs more consistent. Also, weapon swap to ramp up 2-3 100+ strength procs at the same time - I do this on my 39 Warrior and can peak at 700 Strength, its very effective & you'll notice serious results.
 
jwl said:
Im not derailing a thread, I simply questioned the fact he referred to a Holy paladin on a forum post about Ret.
He then got triggered and wanted to have an entire conversation about it.
I even contributed to the OP by giving my thoughts on stat priority.



Almost as serious as the 2 weeks you've been playing BFA? I am sure you're a very credible source of information regarding Paladins (LOL), but there is no need to get hostile with someone who just gave you 100k+ gold worth of items for free.

Once again, haste lowers your CDs, try to get a steady amount of aurora gear to help keep your rotation & procs more consistent. Also, weapon swap to ramp up 2-3 100+ strength procs at the same time - I do this on my 39 Warrior and can peak at 700 Strength, its very effective & you'll notice serious results.
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Look he's back to derail again. Reading must not be your strong suit bc I very clearly asked for assistance with gearing my own retpal.

And if u rlly think I care about that gbank you gave me, log on at 630pm est and watch me /gdisband without taking any of the gear out xlmaoe

I'm a grade A skumbag don't try me
 
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Sanitarium said:
Look he's back to derail again. Reading must not be your strong suit bc I very clearly asked for assistance with gearing my own retpal.

And if u rlly think I care about that gbank you gave me, log on at 630pm est and watch me /gdisband without taking any of the gear out xlmaoe
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This has nothing to do with what you asked for or what you want. My comment was to express that mentioning someone's ability to play a Holy paladin contributes nothing to a conversation about Retribution paladins. Am I saying he cant play ret? no, I dont even know who train is, I am just pointing out that mentioning his ability to play Holy gives 0 credibility here.

As far as the guild I gave you goes, committing that action would say a LOT more about you than it would me.
You came to me looking for help financing a potential 3v3 arena Tourney and out of the kindness of my heart, I gave you almost everything I have on BleedingHollow...And all I ask is that you dont disband my guild when you're finished using the bank? That Gbank is loaded with GF'd versions of common/rare items. I understand you (a player whos been around for 2 weeks) fails to see the value of those items, but you'd be a fool to disband it & you've already shown how ungrateful you are.
 
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jwl said:
This has nothing to do with what you asked for or what you want. My comment was to express that mentioning someone's ability to play a Holy paladin contributes nothing to a conversation about Retribution paladins. Am I saying he cant play ret? no, I dont even know who train is, I am just pointing out that mentioning his ability to play Holy gives 0 credibility here.

As far as the guild I gave you goes, committing that action would say a LOT more about you than it would me.
You came to me looking for help financing a potential 3v3 arena Tourney and out of the kindness of my heart, I gave you almost everything I have on BleedingHollow...And all I ask is that you dont disband my guild when you're finished using the bank? That Gbank is loaded with GF'd versions of common/rare items. I understand you (a player whos been around for 2 weeks) fails to see the value of those items, but you'd be a fool to disband it & you've already shown how ungrateful you are.
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3s tourney is going to happen, with or without that gbank. There was literally nothing of value to 39s in there anyways.

Stay triggered. Maybe you shouldn't have been so trusting of this 2 week old player breh you seem like a poor judge of character xd
 
You should just go Haste/Crit.

Versatility seems to be this misconception pile of shit in low level people that people just keep clinging to for no reason. 20% Haste and 20% crit.. you will do way more damage with Crit over time even tho its only 1.5x... especially more if you combine it with Haste.

Does even 30% versatility help you when a Fury Warrior or a Boomkin is just single targeting you? No it does not... 15% damage reduction when they are doing 1000s is WORTHLESS... flat out WORTHLESS. You are out of your mind if you think that you are living even .5 seconds longer in situations where you get targeted.

Versatility is meant to work in a PvP state where things are BALANCED... which is 100% not low level pvp.

Just go Haste/Crit 20%/20% you will just be more useful all of the time.

Versatility is just a trap... a flat out fucking trap in low level pvp. As a Melee you have pocket heals from a team mate or you do not... it's that simple.... just play accordingly.


The only time this is not the case is if you are playing on an premade team fighting another premade team... in a prearranged match. The Versatility is useful because people are taking advantage of it. And then in all reality... nobody wants you on their premade team as a Ret... so end of story.


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Also get rid of that Princesses Scepter, that is a fury warrior weapon... get yourself a top end damage one like Kang/Destiny you will do a lot more over time... and your crits actually maul people.
 
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Sanitarium said:
3s tourney is going to happen, with or without that gbank. There was literally nothing of value to 39s in there anyways.

Stay triggered. Maybe you shouldn't have been so trusting of this 2 week old player breh you seem like a poor judge of character xd
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You seem like you were homeschooled and have daddy issues.
 
Roadwarrior said:
You should just go Haste/Crit.

Versatility seems to be this misconception pile of shit in low level people that people just keep clinging to for no reason. 20% Haste and 20% crit.. you will do way more damage with Crit over time even tho its only 1.5x... especially more if you combine it with Haste.

Does even 30% versatility help you when a Fury Warrior or a Boomkin is just single targeting you? No it does not... 15% damage reduction when they are doing 1000s is WORTHLESS... flat out WORTHLESS. You are out of your mind if you think that you are living even .5 seconds longer in situations where you get targeted.

Versatility is meant to work in a PvP state where things are BALANCED... which is 100% not low level pvp.

Just go Haste/Crit 20%/20% you will just be more useful all of the time.

Versatility is just a trap... a flat out fucking trap in low level pvp. As a Melee you have pocket heals from a team mate or you do not... it's that simple.... just play accordingly.


The only time this is not the case is if you are playing on an premade team fighting another premade team... in a prearranged match. The Versatility is useful because people are taking advantage of it. And then in all reality... nobody wants you on their premade team as a Ret... so end of story.


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Also get rid of that Princesses Scepter, that is a fury warrior weapon... get yourself a top end damage one like Kang/Destiny you will do a lot more over time... and your crits actually maul people.
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I swear first time I read through this you shit all over haste on retpal.. what changed? Once i have kang/destiny drop ill try those out, but for now princess scepter provides some random burst that can't really be matched imo.

And in the current state world of warriorcraft im definitely taking the damage reduc/increase from vers over crit. With or without pocket heals I'll take the survivability.. your entire point at first was for ret to be a support class while being a nuisance to the other team. Crit doesn't seem to give me that. But who knows what I decide long run, I'm going to pick up multiple sets eventually. For now haste/vers is a nice starter.

Ps @Scribbletube I went to private school n my daddy's a p cool guy, no complaints here.
 
Roadwarrior said:
You should just go Haste/Crit.

Versatility seems to be this misconception pile of shit in low level people that people just keep clinging to for no reason. 20% Haste and 20% crit.. you will do way more damage with Crit over time even tho its only 1.5x... especially more if you combine it with Haste.

Does even 30% versatility help you when a Fury Warrior or a Boomkin is just single targeting you? No it does not... 15% damage reduction when they are doing 1000s is WORTHLESS... flat out WORTHLESS. You are out of your mind if you think that you are living even .5 seconds longer in situations where you get targeted.

Versatility is meant to work in a PvP state where things are BALANCED... which is 100% not low level pvp.

Just go Haste/Crit 20%/20% you will just be more useful all of the time.

Versatility is just a trap... a flat out fucking trap in low level pvp. As a Melee you have pocket heals from a team mate or you do not... it's that simple.... just play accordingly.


The only time this is not the case is if you are playing on an premade team fighting another premade team... in a prearranged match. The Versatility is useful because people are taking advantage of it. And then in all reality... nobody wants you on their premade team as a Ret... so end of story.


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Also get rid of that Princesses Scepter, that is a fury warrior weapon... get yourself a top end damage one like Kang/Destiny you will do a lot more over time... and your crits actually maul people.
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I don't play ret but I do heal them and it's a lot easier to keep someone alive when they have a healthy amount of vers.

Maybe the guys I play with are just otherworldy good but their haste/vers and scepter builds do incredibly well
 
Chops said:
I don't play ret but I do heal them and it's a lot easier to keep someone alive when they have a healthy amount of vers.

Maybe the guys I play with are just otherworldy good but their haste/vers and scepter builds do incredibly well
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Scepter is free... that is why most people have it. And also compared to what? I did not say you can't play with haste/verse I said its not as good as haste/crit as you will just do more and you will live just as long when targeted.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure versatility only applies to self healing with increases to healing... that is what it says at least, honestly I never really paid attention to it since even when I stacked it to 30% it was bad.

and regardless...

If somebody is taking 1000 from a crit, they take 950 instead with 10% versatiltiy. WoW... that is not impressive at all when the health pools are 3-4k at the 39s. In order for that to be impressive you would need much larger ratio health-pools. Again, its just simple math, versatility is not balanced for low level pvp, its too weak. period.


10-20% vers is just not worth it, and more than that just makes you do less damage overall.


And I promise you that most verse/haste builds originate DIRECTLY from people looking at the two Mauradon trinkets and thinking... "well I might as well stack haste/versatility!"... as stupid as that sounds... I promise you its the deciding factor.
 
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Never though I’d say this, but this bracket seems more toxic than 19s
 
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