Shadow Fang VS ilvl 25 Night Watch Shortsword
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Zerofoxtrot
Veteran
For an OH, you prioritize stats. Shadowfang is still bis for attainable OHs. For MH, dps is more critical... hence using a bg blue sword/axe over SF.
Dirty
Royal Member
Don't forget the procs off the shadowfang for shadowbolt which can also proc elemental force. In my opinion shadowfang is better not by a large margin but because rogues need DPS I don't see the 5 stam helping too much. I've always built my rogues glasscannon don't see the need for for stam on top the engineering goggles.
Mythic Al
Boring Troll
Hi everyone,
I want to know your thoughs on this sword i found, do you think the higher dps is worth something over the 3 agi from shadowfang ? (lets consider the +5 sta just as a bonus)
looking forward to read your opinions
Did you buy that on the AH or it dropped from a mob? (If so, was it in an Instance or in the Open World?)
Zerofoxtrot
Veteran
The stats on the bg sword is better, and the axe has better top end and stats. With that said, the night watch sword is still a great starter/fresh rogue starter weapon.
Yapah
Legend
Twisted Sabre scaled to ilvl 25 is BiS (3 agi 5 vers 2 stam)Hi everyone,
I want to know your thoughs on this sword i found, do you think the higher dps is worth something over the 3 agi from shadowfang ? (lets consider the +5 sta just as a bonus)
looking forward to read your opinions
Sf shadowbolt doesnt proc more ele force
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Lightkîng
Veteran
I bought so cant tell you details. i still dont understand myself how to obtain the +8ilvl items.
Dirty
Royal Member
Well that is disappointing I was told it does. rip
Tonkks
Tônks
What multiple are you giving vers here? Others commonly assume 1 agi = 2.5 vers. This still is 1 less agi than SF.
Also, I’m pretty confident that shadowbolt has a chance to proc both ele force and satyr.
Bestworld
MBA
That's basically the main idea, but MH stats still matters to a certain degree. BG blue weapons is actually a good source to cram in that extra vers, which is also why it makes for a good MH. The only reason Shadowfang is BiS atm, is because it has a shadowbolt proc (which is very minor btw, but we just love that min-max'ing, don't we?). If Shadowfang didn't have that, it'd be just as good as Bronze Shortsword
I'm still looking for that scaled BvB thesis to be proven (which I'm actually hoping for). That will give us new potential BiS off-hand choices.
Zerofoxtrot
Veteran
Agree ^^
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It doesn’t mean more ppm, but it does mean more opportunities for it to proc... even from outside melee range, which is huge.
Mythic Al
Boring Troll
Seeing how hot the topic is of Rogue Weapons, I suddenly want to make a pair of Fat Fatal Rogue Pandas to join in on Weapon Theory-crafting. Granted: they will not Min/Max due to being Starter Edition, but still sounds fun. Plus I need a stealth character for random PvE stuff anyway.
necroaqua
Grandfathered
Ele force is RPPM which maintains the same average proc rate (10 rppm for ele force before haste) regardless of the number of events. The shadow bolt doesn't really come into play for it.
Tonkks
Tônks
That 10 rppm is calculated off of weapon speed (from what I have heard). Thus adding an extra opportunity. If anyone has any real source to prove otherwise, it would be good to know.
necroaqua
Grandfathered
I've been meaning to write up a post about it since it's a bit complicated. Basically it keeps track of the time since the last proc AND the time since last proccable event. I'm not at home, but I'll try to remember to come back to this with a few sources and the actual code from the simmers.
Tonkks
Tônks
Please do. I’m very interested in this.
I WILL say... I have been in combat in a 1v1 scenario in the gulch where another rogue was running away, my shadow bolt proc was in the air to him, and upon landing procc’d both ele force and satyr. Although I have only SEEN it happen once- it was really badass
Potatosoup
Grandfathered
does twisted sabre scale if dropped from a mob for a lvl 19 rogue? It's a blue BOE item.
Speedruns
Veteran
Blizz explains RPPM vs PPM here: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/6893549789
Basically, as I understand it, with ele force's 10 RPPM you will get 10 proc per minute per enchant (so 20 if dual-wielding) no matter what (assuming you have sufficient uptime), so Shadowfang's proc will not get you more ele force procs overall, but it can make the 10 procs per minute happen in a shorter amount of time.
PPM (like fiery or lifestealing) is where it's based on your weapon speed, so a 6 PPM enchant on a 2.60 weapon would net 6PPM * 2.60 / 60sec = flat 26% proc chance with no limit on procs per minute, in that case Shadowfang would give you more procs overall (but that's not relevant because ele force is the way to go).
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Lightkîng
Veteran
I think he was also talking about a lvl 17 ilvl25 version of twisted sabre