Battle For Azeroth: Rammsteins, Fury Warrior stacks, and Bad Manners... OH My !
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Lowkey
Veteran
I honestly have never met as many toxic twinks as I have in 2018. It's actually crazy.
I recently had a conversation with a guy who was interested in buying an item and I told him my price. To which he politely replied right away.
Soon after he wrote me again saying it's easily farmed and I was (insert various profanic slurs) safe to say he went on ignore, like many others this year.
The item was a level 19 Demon Band for reference on how easily aqquired it is.
[doublepost=1540955251,1540955177][/doublepost]Also I do wanna add that I do have a 49 Fury warrior, I barely play anymore simply because the bracket is full of them and though blowing up people can be fun, it loses it's fun rapidly.
It's a char from back in Cataclysm.
I recently had a conversation with a guy who was interested in buying an item and I told him my price. To which he politely replied right away.
Soon after he wrote me again saying it's easily farmed and I was (insert various profanic slurs) safe to say he went on ignore, like many others this year.
The item was a level 19 Demon Band for reference on how easily aqquired it is.
[doublepost=1540955251,1540955177][/doublepost]Also I do wanna add that I do have a 49 Fury warrior, I barely play anymore simply because the bracket is full of them and though blowing up people can be fun, it loses it's fun rapidly.
It's a char from back in Cataclysm.
toskosa
Veteran
Yeah for sure it was fun for 1-2 games but after that it just feels super unfun. I originally made my 49 warrior after I ptr tested the lvl scalling patch( I think it was 7.3?) I really liked the changes and I wanted to ust tank old vanilla dungeons. Did enough strathome undead side runs to finally get the mount from it as well on him.
I find myself playing arms with the str on use trinket + hoj and a scalled boe executioners axe I picked up from running random dungeons.
Sprite
21s Coordinator
Rammsteins is a problem. It's an item that isn't even intended to be what it is. In bfa prepatch, when dungeon trinkets were nerfed, most dungeon trinkets at lower level brackets were nerfed, for example the str/agi activation trinkets from scholo/SM were nerfed and also the agi proc trinket from Scholo. For some reason though, rams was unaffected by this nerf and I feel like it def needs to be nerfed as it affects the bracket so much.
jealousy89741
Veteran
Isn't because of yourself?I never see you or Alice soloque,whether you act alone,you are always teaming together and doing indiscriminate killings
fred
OG
they both solo queue all the time xDD!
and props to you for solo queueing ! Next step for you is not using ram all the time xDD!
jwl
FC - Pagle
Rams actually did get nerfed, its still just abusive and broken. I've placed suggestions on the BFA PTR and retail wow suggesting they nerf it (along with a few other items) slightly. There is no reason a trinket should be able to deal 20-50% of a players health pool on /use. However, I do find the trinket very fun, It just does a little too much damage.
The other day I saw a 59 DK with Sulthraze and my details claimed it was doing 29% of his total damage done. Also worth mentioning Rams was doing another 13% of it.
jwl
FC - Pagle
You're right, what do I know. I've only played 49/59 before the wave of rerollers hit. I also have a GF'd version of rams on 3/3 of my 49s, and can confirm that the difference between the old version and new version is like -1 critical strike chance. Rams got nerfed bud lol
Video is dated to 2017, critical strike hit for 10k (100% of the mages health)
In modern WoW, rams crits for 3300 @59 where the average player has 5000+ health.
Compare the healthpool/damage ratios and explain to me how the item was not nerfed?
Samadius
50-59 Coordinator
Alright. So yes it was hit by the number squish true, and maybe that was the only thing done to it. Obviously it should be reduced since the health pools were reduced as well. But relatively speaking it is still far 'worse' now than it used to be. Or well, it used to be utter crap doing barely anything at all in vanilla until somewhere around legion as far as I remember
this is its original form. Pretty bad right? even in vanilla this was bad.
Alright, so I remember I found it while on a ptr with its tooltip saying 5,6-5,8k dmg (as far as I remember) at the unscaled pre-bfa version i.e. lvl 48 item lvl 53. With low to no versa. It was even more OP for fury warriors then as battle cry gave you a 100% crit chance on all attacks which included rammstein's that ensured you a 7-8k hit in pvp which was almost a oneshot of twinks. I played 50 twinks at that time but their health pool isn't and wasn't insanely different from 49 twinks, also most 50 twinks at that time used any gear "of agility" etc. they just loved being glasscannons. So a glasscannon lvl 50 twink had about 6-7k hp. A balanced gear lvl 50 twink had 8-9k and a balanced-staminafocused had 10k-10,5k hp. So that means even a non crit and without any dmg increases as versatility or tiger's fury (15%) etc. it would surely do MORE than 50% of the targets hp.
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Now it does around 1,5k dmg scaled to lvl 59 with roughly 4% versatility. Most lvl 59 twinks have around 6-6,5k hp. 1,5/6*100=25% is the dmg of the full hp it does now at lvl 59, which is rather acceptable for a semi-long cd trinket, that takes up a trinket slot, and also has a slight warning-delay when used to allow instantaneous defensive cooldowns to be pressed. Besides tunneling below 30% hp is never recommended. We know that from the execute range for example, which is even 35% now with the massacre talent on arms warriors that I fear even more as it is instant and spammable. Also it seems that the Ramstein's trinket has it's aoe nerfed in bg's at least, can anyone confirm that? I recall checking combat logs after using it on multiple targets in a bg and saw that only one of the hits dealt full damage whereas the remaining aoe hits were all the way down to 500-600 per hit. (and I doubt they all randomly had a big defensive cd up with a similar big reduction). Now on my lvl 50 (similar in gear and dmg and stats to 49 now, only like 1 stat difference as it is now) rammstein's does about 1330 dmg with about 8% versatility. So if we assume the average (non-glasscannon(i.e. core items with 0 stamina etc.) have around 4k hp. It adds up to about 1/3 of the targets hp. Which definitely I agree is too much, it shouldn't be over 30% for sure, but even at the 25% which it is around at 59 I never felt it being any issues and I often find it better to use other trinkets instead for many situations. My consolation for 49s having a hard time with this trinket is to keep a healthy health pool, don't sacrifice big pools of stamina on gear for a bit more damage. Try to stay above 4k hp unbuffed at least.
My verdict on this is that it is still a cool 'tool' trinket that doesn't have to be nerfed into uselessness but tuning it slightly more in the 40-49 bracket to about 1k dmg down from about 1,3k so it is only around 20% of targets hp (that join a bg prepared gearwise obviously) might be a good spot to have it in. Or keep it as it is but make it so it is no longer able to crit nor scales with versatility which is usually what can really make it feel dangerous. Else keep your hp high and save defensive cds for bolts.
I hope my wall of text if you got through it could help console on this matter, just a bit at least.
Alright, so I remember I found it while on a ptr with its tooltip saying 5,6-5,8k dmg (as far as I remember) at the unscaled pre-bfa version i.e. lvl 48 item lvl 53. With low to no versa. It was even more OP for fury warriors then as battle cry gave you a 100% crit chance on all attacks which included rammstein's that ensured you a 7-8k hit in pvp which was almost a oneshot of twinks. I played 50 twinks at that time but their health pool isn't and wasn't insanely different from 49 twinks, also most 50 twinks at that time used any gear "of agility" etc. they just loved being glasscannons. So a glasscannon lvl 50 twink had about 6-7k hp. A balanced gear lvl 50 twink had 8-9k and a balanced-staminafocused had 10k-10,5k hp. So that means even a non crit and without any dmg increases as versatility or tiger's fury (15%) etc. it would surely do MORE than 50% of the targets hp.
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Now it does around 1,5k dmg scaled to lvl 59 with roughly 4% versatility. Most lvl 59 twinks have around 6-6,5k hp. 1,5/6*100=25% is the dmg of the full hp it does now at lvl 59, which is rather acceptable for a semi-long cd trinket, that takes up a trinket slot, and also has a slight warning-delay when used to allow instantaneous defensive cooldowns to be pressed. Besides tunneling below 30% hp is never recommended. We know that from the execute range for example, which is even 35% now with the massacre talent on arms warriors that I fear even more as it is instant and spammable. Also it seems that the Ramstein's trinket has it's aoe nerfed in bg's at least, can anyone confirm that? I recall checking combat logs after using it on multiple targets in a bg and saw that only one of the hits dealt full damage whereas the remaining aoe hits were all the way down to 500-600 per hit. (and I doubt they all randomly had a big defensive cd up with a similar big reduction). Now on my lvl 50 (similar in gear and dmg and stats to 49 now, only like 1 stat difference as it is now) rammstein's does about 1330 dmg with about 8% versatility. So if we assume the average (non-glasscannon(i.e. core items with 0 stamina etc.) have around 4k hp. It adds up to about 1/3 of the targets hp. Which definitely I agree is too much, it shouldn't be over 30% for sure, but even at the 25% which it is around at 59 I never felt it being any issues and I often find it better to use other trinkets instead for many situations. My consolation for 49s having a hard time with this trinket is to keep a healthy health pool, don't sacrifice big pools of stamina on gear for a bit more damage. Try to stay above 4k hp unbuffed at least.
My verdict on this is that it is still a cool 'tool' trinket that doesn't have to be nerfed into uselessness but tuning it slightly more in the 40-49 bracket to about 1k dmg down from about 1,3k so it is only around 20% of targets hp (that join a bg prepared gearwise obviously) might be a good spot to have it in. Or keep it as it is but make it so it is no longer able to crit nor scales with versatility which is usually what can really make it feel dangerous. Else keep your hp high and save defensive cds for bolts.
I hope my wall of text if you got through it could help console on this matter, just a bit at least.
Elemental Force
Grandfathered
I think you seem like a toxic person from this
Balroy
OG
I can't remember honestly. I could be wrong but I remember using it on my enhance shaman.
