Level 19 Rogue Gear Help (GF'ed gear)

Drooke

Grandfathered
Dear community!

I've enjoyed myself watching this years TC and I -finally- decided to create myself a decent 19 twink rogue! I've had this plan for years now, but never really had the time doing so sadly..

I go the full grandfathered Blackened Defias set and am willing to get two shadowfangs.

The question is: With the new update, is a full defias set + 2 shadowfangs still BIS or with the new itemlevel changes etc etc, is this not the way to roll anymore?

Click here to see my current character setup.. Please ignore enchants, current weapons etc, but feel free to give tips / examples!

I would really appreciate your help,
Thanks in advance,
 
Hard to determine BIS as some grandfathered gear will still be BIS in some way or another. Use Defias set in the meantime but WoW has done the amazing thing of reverting back to original 'Stat lives matter' as in stacking Agil(or main stats) is once again the way to go for rogues(all classes). Pvp crates offer some great gear pieces(blues not really the greens). You can all out stack Agility go glass cannon or try to strike a balance you like... lots of gear choices from Dungeons and Pvp Crates. Remember, its back to raw stats from gear, the highest item level doesn't matter unless it has the raw stats to match... the white or grey high iLevel gear is out the window.

https://xpoff.com/threads/the-19s-directory-armory-guilds-social-media.59340/

Some examples there, goodluck
 
First of all, cheers guys, appreciate the effort!

I am not sure whether they took the Defias set into account in both of them threads, as it's GFed, thats what I am wondering ;)

Any clue if this is correct, or I can conclude the Defias set is not BiS anymore?
 
While you do get swag points, OG version defias (non ilvl 23 pieces) is no longer bis. It’s a good starting point as you acquire gear, but it’ll will quickly phase out and into your bank. I’ll give a quick bit of gear to grab from the AH to have you competing with anyone pretty cheaply. It’s a glass build, but it’s cheap:

Head - level engi for gogs (10-15k 0-245)

Neck - stick heirloom with hidden satyr

Shoulders - heirloom enchanted

Back - parachute cloak with shad armor

Chest - dark leather chest (until good bg roll) chant with glorious stats

Bracers - you’re bis +2 stats chant

Gloves - fang + 4 agil

Waist - rigid/wrangler belt

Legs - dark leather + shadowcraft

Feet - dark leather + cat’s swiftness

Ring1 - bg crate

Ring2 - dungeon bag

Trink1 - Defending champ

Trink2 - Returning champ

Weapon1 - BG axe (shadowfang until) with elemental force

Weapon2 - Shadowfang with elemental force
 
Deumadora has it down. Theres a lot of "BiS" depending on how glass cannon you want to go. Lots of people go full agility. You can go a slightly more balanced agiliy/stam or an even more balanced quickblade build. The 19 quick start guide should have some alternative options as well. I know that most people don't have defending/returning champ - and shadowfang isn't cheap or easy to get.

Unfortuantely the defias armor set is mostly outdated since it doesn't scale up to 19 (ilvl 23). Its definitely got the old school swag going for it - so def throw it in the bank. The seal of wrynn is GFd and pretty cool - but not BiS for damage. I might keep it around for a flag carrying set, or just wear it even though it isn't BiS. Your defias belt isn't BiS either, but is another GFd item that might be good enough to wear it for the swag factor.

Check your bank for other possible GFd gear and let us know. Argus rings (ilvl 32) can't be obtained at that ilvl anymore. Anything ilvl 24+ is interesting. Dungeon satchel gear at ilvl 25 can't be obtained at that level anymore.
 
Guys the reason he is asking is due to the full defias set bonus that gives +5 agility (is this still correct?). OP: your chest is sweet, but unfortunately all of your other defias items are not scaled to level 19. There are very very few of these scaled items in the game (belt and boots-as the gloves and pants are available in-game). Now- if you were to get all of these items scaled to 19- again, pretty tricky- it MAY be BiS. Let me get home and Check some figures and give a stat breakdown of all of these items once scaled to 19. I just need to know if the full set still gives 5 agility... if someone could do that it would help a ton.
 
Lets do a quick comparison. There any many different variants that one can use.. but lets first break down the stats from the Defias set... we will assume that all Defias pieces are item level 23, except the chest as it is no longer obtainable. This is best case scenario, as the item level 23 belt and boots are extremely rare.

Defias
Chest: 7 Agility / 8 Stamina
Gloves: 5 Agility / 7 Stamina
Belt: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Pants: 8 Agility / 9 Stamina
Boots: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Total: Agility: 39 Stamina: 38 Bonus: +8 armor (2.22% damage reduction) / +4 arcane resist / +2 haste as well)
(Note this total includes the set bonus)

100% agility set that many rogues seem to use
(keeping in mind item level 23 gloom over prospectors gives +6 crit and feet of the lynx give up 1 agility for 7 stamina)

Chest (Prospectors): 9 Agility / 9 Stamina
Gloves (Gloves of the Fang): 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Belt (Ruffian): 9 Agility
Pants (Dark Leather / Bluegill): 12 Agility
Boots (Dark Leather): 8 Agility
Total: Agility: 45 Stamina: 16

Quickblade gear that assumes equal crit/vers

Chest: 7 Agility / 10 Stamina / 5 Vers / 5 Crit
Gloves (uplifted cup - scouting works too): 5 Agility / 7 Stamina / 2 Vers / 4 Crit
Belt (Blindwatcher - ilvl 25 quickblade belt is better obviously if you have it): 5 Agility / 7 Stamina / 4 Vers / 2 Crit
Pants: 7 Agility / 10 Stamina / 5 Vers / 5 Crit
Boots: 5 Agility / 8 Stamina / 4 Vers / 4 Crit
Total: Agility: 29 Stamina: 42 Vers: 20 Crit: 20

My Gear Set (curious)

Chest: 9 Agility / 9 Stamina / 6 Crit
Gloves: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Belt: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Pants: 12 Agility
Boots: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Total: Agility: 42 Stamina: 30 Crit: 6 Bonus: +8 armor (2.22% damage reduction)

Disclaimer: I realize there are arguments for specific gear pieces being included or not... I very much support the guide that @necroaqua put together for new players entering the bracket. The above list includes multiple items that are unobtainable, "impossible" to acquire, or extremely expensive.

Now... if someone wants to come in here and give us the conversions for 1 agi = X vers (or crit).. That could help. But as you can see, when using all item level 23 defias pieces- the set really is not that bad- but I dont know if i could see it as BIS.
 
This is overall balanced BiS (Except for 34 axe): https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/draenor/Bestworldyo

With obtainables:

Swap AGM for Returning Champion.
Swap main-hand for pure vers BG weapon.
Swap chest for pure vers BG chest.
Swap head for engi head.
Swap Gloves for gloves of the fang
Swap Belt for any 4 vers 3 crit or similar

For pure damage (which I only use for high stack returns really), is a mix of max agi + vers. If you want "scum math" on it, vers increases the damage of frag belt by quite a lot.
 
Lets do a quick comparison. There any many different variants that one can use.. but lets first break down the stats from the Defias set... we will assume that all Defias pieces are item level 23, except the chest as it is no longer obtainable. This is best case scenario, as the item level 23 belt and boots are extremely rare.

Defias
Chest: 7 Agility / 8 Stamina
Gloves: 5 Agility / 7 Stamina
Belt: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Pants: 8 Agility / 9 Stamina
Boots: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Total: Agility: 39 Stamina: 38 Bonus: +8 armor (2.22% damage reduction) / +4 arcane resist / +2 haste as well)
(Note this total includes the set bonus)

100% agility set that many rogues seem to use
(keeping in mind item level 23 gloom over prospectors gives +6 crit and feet of the lynx give up 1 agility for 7 stamina)

Chest (Prospectors): 9 Agility / 9 Stamina
Gloves (Gloves of the Fang): 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Belt (Ruffian): 9 Agility
Pants (Dark Leather / Bluegill): 12 Agility
Boots (Dark Leather): 8 Agility
Total: Agility: 45 Stamina: 16

Quickblade gear that assumes equal crit/vers

Chest: 7 Agility / 10 Stamina / 5 Vers / 5 Crit
Gloves (uplifted cup - scouting works too): 5 Agility / 7 Stamina / 2 Vers / 4 Crit
Belt (Blindwatcher - ilvl 25 quickblade belt is better obviously if you have it): 5 Agility / 7 Stamina / 4 Vers / 2 Crit
Pants: 7 Agility / 10 Stamina / 5 Vers / 5 Crit
Boots: 5 Agility / 8 Stamina / 4 Vers / 4 Crit
Total: Agility: 29 Stamina: 42 Vers: 20 Crit: 20

My Gear Set (curious)

Chest: 9 Agility / 9 Stamina / 6 Crit
Gloves: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Belt: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Pants: 12 Agility
Boots: 7 Agility / 7 Stamina
Total: Agility: 42 Stamina: 30 Crit: 6 Bonus: +8 armor (2.22% damage reduction)

Disclaimer: I realize there are arguments for specific gear pieces being included or not... I very much support the guide that @necroaqua put together for new players entering the bracket. The above list includes multiple items that are unobtainable, "impossible" to acquire, or extremely expensive.

Now... if someone wants to come in here and give us the conversions for 1 agi = X vers (or crit).. That could help. But as you can see, when using all item level 23 defias pieces- the set really is not that bad- but I dont know if i could see it as BIS.

Good stuff. 1 agi is about 2.5 verse in terms of damage (doesn't include the damage reduction or increased damage on ele force/hidden satyr - just tooltip dmg).

So lets look at your sets with that conversation rate (and a few minor nits).

Defias gear comes in at 39 agility and 38 stam.

Agility gear. For pure agility I'll add Dark Leather Tunic (10agi). I'd personally switch in prospector for the more balanced gear, but since we're already going full agi with the boots, then we'll go full agility. So total of 46 agility and 9 stam. I'll also note that ruffian belt is GFd - I think the next highest non-GF'd pure agility options have either 6 or 7 agility, so we could drop 2-3 from that total.

Quickblade gear. I'll make a switch to scouting/rigid gloves of the quickblade (4 verse/3 crit) and vigorous belt (ilvl 23 with 4verse/3crit). And I'll drop the BG crate legs for scouting legs (5verse/4crit) so that they can be enchanted in the same way as the other sets so we can ignore enchants. So that gives us 28 agility, 41 stam, 22 verse, 19 crit. With the conversion, it comes out to an effective ~9 agility from verse for a total of 37 agility.

So pure agility gear obviously comes out the highest. But with no crit and very little defenses. Defias gear has the next highest damage and a lot of stam, but no crit or verse damage reduction. Quickblade is the most balanced with a just 2 agility less than defias, but with 3 more stam, a ton more crit and damage reduction from verse (which overshadows bonus armor and resists).

So overall, scaled defias gear is a pain to get (other than gloves/legs), falls behind in damage (and survivability) from other sets. Its not bad though. While scaled defias belt/boots are good - the verse from the quickblade sets basically makes up for it before adding an extra stam and ~6 crit.
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This is overall balanced BiS (Except for 34 axe): https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/draenor/Bestworldyo

With obtainables:

Swap AGM for Returning Champion.
Swap main-hand for pure vers BG weapon.
Swap chest for pure vers BG chest.
Swap head for engi head.
Swap Gloves for gloves of the fang
Swap Belt for any 4 vers 3 crit or similar

For pure damage (which I only use for high stack returns really), is a mix of max agi + vers. If you want "scum math" on it, vers increases the damage of frag belt by quite a lot.

And the best geared rogue I know of chimes in =P

I'll also throw in Prospector's Woolies for an option for balanced legs. 9agi vs 6 agi + 5 verse + 4 crit. Hard to say if the 1 agi is worth the 4 crit. And I'll note theres a few other GFd options floating around that are good - but rare GFd items in the bank mean the owner needs to figure out what their best options are.
 

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