EU+US what do you think of the Frag Belt?

Tonkks said:
But items like LFH/AGM/Nethercleft have made a level 19 virtually unkillable by levelers, more than doubling the twinks effective hp. Simple enchants, and the combination of enchants, double base agility. Satyr and ele force do incredible damage on their own, without needing to do anything. I can 1v3 levelers doing nothing but running and pistol shotting.

You are correct, the frag belt can one shot, stun, do a lot of damage, and is a game breaking item... but what this and other things have in common is that 19s were not intended to get any of these items. I agree with you in regards to how they should be unusable in bgs- I really do. I wish they were not available... but because they are, they should be used. Just my opinion I guess.
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My argument is that levelers are irrelevant. Yes they are in games, but in a twink vs twink setting, you are, in my eyes, a piece of shit if you use something that isn't wargame standard. Yes you CAN get advantages with speed pots/saltwaters/frags/goblin gliders, but that just make you a lesser player in my eyes. Some people play twinks casually. I play twinks for competition. Getting speed potted saltwatered and goblin glidered after by multiple twinks while FCing ruins said competition that would have occurred if they actually just played the game.
 
Laurenti said:
My argument is that levelers are irrelevant. Yes they are in games, but in a twink vs twink setting, you are, in my eyes, a piece of shit if you use something that isn't wargame standard. Yes you CAN get advantages with speed pots/saltwaters/frags/goblin gliders, but that just make you a lesser player in my eyes. Some people play twinks casually. I play twinks for competition. Getting speed potted saltwatered and goblin glidered after by multiple twinks while FCing ruins said competition that would have occurred if they actually just played the game.
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imo not all consumeables are the same level of "op"

gliders, speed pots, even saltwater are not game breaking and can be countered easily if you're talking about positioning etc while some of these new broken consumeables that were never intended to be usable at low level make it pointless to roll a new character and at same time ruins the game bc of the numbers
 
Laurenti said:
My argument is that levelers are irrelevant. Yes they are in games, but in a twink vs twink setting, you are, in my eyes, a piece of shit if you use something that isn't wargame standard. Yes you CAN get advantages with speed pots/saltwaters/frags/goblin gliders, but that just make you a lesser player in my eyes. Some people play twinks casually. I play twinks for competition. Getting speed potted saltwatered and goblin glidered after by multiple twinks while FCing ruins said competition that would have occurred if they actually just played the game.
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Yeah we just do not agree whatsoever on this. I see players, like you, who play “competitively” queueing with 3 druids. That isn’t wargame standard. Pugs are not wargames. If wargames allowed it, we would use consumables in them.

My argument here is that you cannot control who you queue against and what consumables they do or do not use- so you should expect 10/10 have frag belts and plan accordingly.

I play to win. There are no asterisks next to wins. Sure it wasn’t “noble” when horde used 60 int buffs, but I would not make a mistake for losing because of it. Contrary to belief, consumables can add uncertainty and additional depth to 19s gameplay. Healers/fcs juking bombs can mean the difference between a win and loss. I think pugs have been a lot of fun recently with the changes.
 
Let’s put it this way

110s spend hundreds of thousands of gold on mythic + carries, raid carries, BOEs, rep items, and others I’m sure I’m missing because I don’t play mains.

BG crates can rarely drop 1 pure secondary stat item. Which of some stats are weighing well atm, are BIS pieces.

I can justify spending gold on swiftness pots, saltwater pots, swim speed pots, elixirs, drums, the list goes on, if it means sealing the winning will be that much easier. Thus giving a greater chance for BIS crate item.
 
Bestworld said:
By saying other games, I think he's referring to video games. Could just be my super high IQ and my incredible insight in the human communication, but I guess I could be wrong, and he really meant irl sports in that statement. :^)
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I guess he could have been talking about Monopoly, Phase 10, Uno etc
 
Laurenti said:
My argument is that levelers are irrelevant. Yes they are in games, but in a twink vs twink setting, you are, in my eyes, a piece of shit if you use something that isn't wargame standard. Yes you CAN get advantages with speed pots/saltwaters/frags/goblin gliders, but that just make you a lesser player in my eyes. Some people play twinks casually. I play twinks for competition. Getting speed potted saltwatered and goblin glidered after by multiple twinks while FCing ruins said competition that would have occurred if they actually just played the game.
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voting this worst post i've ever read on this forum.
 
Laurenti said:
Not going to lie, getting opened on by two rogues and then getting double fragged is really fun and interactive gameplay, that really makes me want to continue solo queuing pugs.

I have frag belt on two twinks, and I refuse to use it on either of them. Just fucking play the game and actually outplay people, don't just crutch on an on use that you shouldn't have access to to begin with.
[doublepost=1532354169,1532353534][/doublepost]Side note on consumables such as saltwater and second wind and shit, same logic applies. Just because you can use something doesn't mean that you should. I have like 800 marks of honor, don't pretend like its hard to walk to a vendor in dalaran. It just makes games worse. I'm not less of a "twink" because I'm not doing everything I can to make my character more powerful. Its called I actually enjoy competitive games. If you feel the need to pop a saltwater potion, you're fucking trash, period, end of story. Same thing with speed pots. Position better and quit crutching on a consumable that you can't use in premades. It's literally impossible to defend consumables. To the argument of why don't I just use my own speed pot, the answer is that I shouldn't have to. I don't need to counter speed pot your speed pot if you just don't speed pot in the first place. It's not that complicated.
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Getting every single thing in the entire game to increase your power, is what sets the difference between meh twinks and real twinks... u are meh.
I'm not here to play games. i'm here to murder the entire opposite team single handed if i have to.

Blizzard overlooking certain things is also part of the game, and there are 19 twinks walking around with 450 ilvl and ilvl 55 stuff and more.. and i feel so bad that i didnt get those things when i could.. but i think it's damn awesome that some people have it and those twinks are awesome. and to try and beat em i'm gonna need everything i can get.
 
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The debate about whether things would have been allowed in premades is stupid. There weren’t rules. We played, used what was available, and won or lost. We didn’t make rules to make it more likely we’d win like many of the so called best players, nor did we have our Mom call and complain like Rusks. We just played, and won. You should grow some balls and try it some time.
 
I would personally like to thank all the twinks that bought my over inflated mats off the BH ah on patch day. As soon as I ran one bg with full engineering I knew that it was going to get nerfed so I decided to sell the mats I collected a month before patch for 10 of my twinks on bh. Because of this foresight I made 1.2 mil gold in 24 hours. The only thing I am salty about is having 75 northrend engineering and jeeves recipe wont drop for my 19.
 
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