Let's Debunk a Bad Argument - Jumps vs. Consumables
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2017 Twink Cup Champion
change your name I'm the only feral lord around here
jwl
FC - Pagle
I am lucky to be a part of your era? WHAT? You showed up in legion bro. You're talking to someone who has been twinking since TBC. I don't even play 19 yet i am more informed and aware of the playstyle than 90% of the players. You can keep talking about the accolades that are self proclaimed. I've played 2400MMR games at level cap. when you can do that let me know, until then shut your 14 year old mouth.
You've been around for a year. Have more respect lmao
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If you could comprehend the attitude I was trying to express, I was saying invisible stairs are the closest thing to a glitch you'd find in wall jumps. they've hotfixed nearly every exploit out there. Before you mock what I said, make sure you interpret it correctly.
People who disapprove of wall jumps are the ones who cant do them. Just throwing that out there.
Shaket
Legend
Then there are those who CAN do the jumps and STILL recognize that they are taking advantage of glitches in texture edge mapping to traverse areas that were not intended by the designers of those maps. It's simply a matter of not operating with blinders on, and not putting yourself on an altruistic pedestal.
Psilocybine
Legend
With all this consumables talk, i think none of you would of liked twinking in wotlk or cata. If you didnt have consumables and every enchant you were considered a scrub.
On topic, there are two types of jumps in my book. Maneuvering and exploit. The difference between the two is simple. If you cant be targeted then its an exploit.
Jumping on top the tunnel, over stumps and up the side of the mountains are all easy enough to practice. Being able to get on top of a beam in the ally tunnel is different. You can see every player and no one could attack you, that is game changing and not common knowledge. Plus its bannable
On topic, there are two types of jumps in my book. Maneuvering and exploit. The difference between the two is simple. If you cant be targeted then its an exploit.
Jumping on top the tunnel, over stumps and up the side of the mountains are all easy enough to practice. Being able to get on top of a beam in the ally tunnel is different. You can see every player and no one could attack you, that is game changing and not common knowledge. Plus its bannable
Bestworld
MBA
I don't understand how someone can dispute against the fact that a jump that takes effort to execute and is not equal to pressing a hotkey for a consumable. One takes effort, the other is simply by the click of a button.
Also the point as I understood it, is that OP is simply speaking of the competitive aspect, where consumables are disabled, but jumps are not, and that some individuals can't tell the difference between that of being competitive and simply chugging a speed pot and whatnot. Nothing to discuss really. It's pretty simple.
Also the point as I understood it, is that OP is simply speaking of the competitive aspect, where consumables are disabled, but jumps are not, and that some individuals can't tell the difference between that of being competitive and simply chugging a speed pot and whatnot. Nothing to discuss really. It's pretty simple.
jwl
FC - Pagle
Cleatuss
Royal Member
you guys are fucked in the head. the whole reason I made a twink was to log in and crush people. I don't have time to grind gear at max level to compete. If I did have that time I would play max level etc or dota or LOL. Competitive? wow isnt even a competitive pvp game at any level. No one watches your streams, nobody cares if you run wargames or if you were good at one time. Most of these people bashing legion twinks are scrubs that were bad back in the day. Other than Purj I dont recognize any of these twinks toons because they are not relevant in pugs anymore or they pug with 3 survivals to feel good. this is warcraft not libtardfucking I am offended you used a pot craft
Sponsor
Achievement Hunting
I couldn't agree more with what you said.
I think all jumps should be legal, despite whether they are class-exclusive or not.
Winning in a competitive game means you out-smarted, out-strategized, and out-played your opponent.
If your team can't keep up with an FC who knows all those jumps, then your team simply does not deserve to win.
jwl
FC - Pagle
People just need a reason to cry when they get outplayed/outperformed. I could guarantee that if any jaja could do any jump, they'd be 100% legal in a competitive setting. But they cant, so they aren't. Maybe if people wouldn't reroll FOTMs 24/7, Jumping wouldn't be as relevant as it is. And if anyone wants to refer to jumps as exploits or bugs, they can leave the bracket. I am pretty sure the art of jumping originated in 10-19, so if it displeases anyone, just leave tbh.
Tonkks
Tônks
I will still never understand this argument. Some of you detest speed pots so much... why? Because it gives you a movement speed advantage? Every person that queues has the opportunity to queue with speed pots. I swear, every person I see complain about them plays a Druid. What is competitive about you dashing across mid, to then bitch about people who close the gap between you.
Making up for being outplayed? Jesus. Should we no longer be using our pvp trinkets because it’s a “crutch” for getting HoJ’d by a pally/novad by a mage in mid?
YOU chose to queue, so YOU should be prepared for the events that take place in a bg. The only consumables/buffs that I see being an issue are the ones that not everyone can obtain. 60 int buff could be argued to be a “crutch”, as it provides a large bonus to you, and cannot be obtained by your opponent.
Jumps in the gulch can be considered exploiting the terrain, which is a bannable offense. I have no issue with jumps, but I see no way that one can justify willingly exploiting the game mechanics as “OK”, especially the jumps that are only possible by certain classes/races- for those same people to consider the use of something such as a speed pot or health potion, which EVERYONE can easily acquire, to be “an excuse for poor performance”.
Next thing you know, people will be calling for a ban on grandfathered gear and equipping wands, because it provides an advantage.
Back in the day, you had to have every enchant, gear piece, and consumable to compete. If you didn’t have it, you were facing an up hill battle. Clefthide/nethercleft leg armor provided a HUGE advantage, and was never looked down upon.
Premades are a different story, and they always have been. The beauty of premades is that there are predefined rules that govern the game. No health potions? Cool. No one uses them. That is fair. You cannot choose the rules in a pug. Your opponent can use a health potion. Don’t whine about it, come prepared to the match.
Making up for being outplayed? Jesus. Should we no longer be using our pvp trinkets because it’s a “crutch” for getting HoJ’d by a pally/novad by a mage in mid?
YOU chose to queue, so YOU should be prepared for the events that take place in a bg. The only consumables/buffs that I see being an issue are the ones that not everyone can obtain. 60 int buff could be argued to be a “crutch”, as it provides a large bonus to you, and cannot be obtained by your opponent.
Jumps in the gulch can be considered exploiting the terrain, which is a bannable offense. I have no issue with jumps, but I see no way that one can justify willingly exploiting the game mechanics as “OK”, especially the jumps that are only possible by certain classes/races- for those same people to consider the use of something such as a speed pot or health potion, which EVERYONE can easily acquire, to be “an excuse for poor performance”.
Next thing you know, people will be calling for a ban on grandfathered gear and equipping wands, because it provides an advantage.
Back in the day, you had to have every enchant, gear piece, and consumable to compete. If you didn’t have it, you were facing an up hill battle. Clefthide/nethercleft leg armor provided a HUGE advantage, and was never looked down upon.
Premades are a different story, and they always have been. The beauty of premades is that there are predefined rules that govern the game. No health potions? Cool. No one uses them. That is fair. You cannot choose the rules in a pug. Your opponent can use a health potion. Don’t whine about it, come prepared to the match.
inoobupro
Banned
problem is we dont know whenever blizzard considers jumps an exploit or not
sometimes ppl can get banned for jumping and sometimes they dont (its random and up to gms but gms work in a completely separate department than the inbred interns that work on the maps/geometry/map palette whatever.
its been 14 years and most jumps arent fixed
it literally took the cretins over a decade ..A DECADE to fix WSG los so ranged couldnt shoot through stumps/some walls
And according to a WoW demographic thingy released in 2014 over 600k pvp battles happened daily. just a telltale of how severely PvP content has always been neglected.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-medi...l_progressive,q_80,w_800/19dyslqvjcsexjpg.jpg
Then again this is blizzard and they have NEVER EVER CARED ABOUT pvp in wow
pet battle balance is on a higher priority list(then again pet battles seem to be a lot more popular xd)
tl dr this thread can be summed up as:
joke game
joke thread
Phrontistery
i was making waves u was surfing in 'em
why this kind of thread has never and will never work tl;dr
those who are too inane to be aware of their own misuse of potions/consumables for otherwise unrealistic class advantages are also too inane to even comprehend the discussions/opinions/perspectives of the opposing side
players who will most likely never improve
you also have people who simply don't care, there isn't really a counter argument to this pool of players
those who are too inane to be aware of their own misuse of potions/consumables for otherwise unrealistic class advantages are also too inane to even comprehend the discussions/opinions/perspectives of the opposing side
players who will most likely never improve
you also have people who simply don't care, there isn't really a counter argument to this pool of players
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Bestworld
MBA
The problem isn't consumables per say, it's the fact that people boast about their competitive capabilities, and then chug a speed pot to compensate for poor positioning and or bad decision making. It's this "blurred line" that now seems to be completely transparent between certain individuals.
And comparing abilities to consumables is just miles off being a relevant argument.
Cleatuss
Royal Member
fuck off. you dumb fuckers bitching about pots have every add on in the game. What's the fun? you know when every trinket is used along with cds but pots are bad. you all need to wake the fuck up and just play the game. I will pop a pot on a druid every time i play a rogue. You pleb noobs are clueless. I have played at least 1000 pugs in legion horde and alliance and yet you all hide in " wargames " or you premade with 3+ OP hunters like hotpirate. I rarely see any of you in bgs.
STFU already and get in the gulch.
Pericles
Veteran
I have seen you use gliders paired with your hunter chains many times before, even when the alliance team is full of scrubs, and your team stacked with surv hunters
Chainz
DND
Do you even play EU? Idk who u think u faced, but it wasn't me