OP
OP
Solipsist
They/Them
O, sorry. Didn't realize you posted. Was referring to Awesome's post. This thread is flying past in page numbers
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Rogues = Death of the Bracket
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O, sorry. Didn't realize you posted. Was referring to Awesome's post. This thread is flying past in page numbers
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FrozenWill
Legend
We need to schedule a duel so you and awesome can fight it out in the Dalaran sewers lolol
Allybeboba
Legend
So what you are suggesting is that people play a class that they would prefer not to play over a class they would prefer to play? Would you do the same?
That would be no different than asking someone like me, for instance, to play a melee class or DPS when all I ever do is play a heal.
What the players of the bracket have to do is come up with a viable solution/strategy. With the hunter infestation in the 20-24 bracket I was all but forced to reroll to a lvl 20 for scaling and go to full stamina stacking as heals. Self buffed my shaman has just under 4k health and can hit just under 7k when all defensive CDs are popped. Heals may have to do the same in the 19's.
That would be no different than asking someone like me, for instance, to play a melee class or DPS when all I ever do is play a heal.
What the players of the bracket have to do is come up with a viable solution/strategy. With the hunter infestation in the 20-24 bracket I was all but forced to reroll to a lvl 20 for scaling and go to full stamina stacking as heals. Self buffed my shaman has just under 4k health and can hit just under 7k when all defensive CDs are popped. Heals may have to do the same in the 19's.
Awesome
<The Awesome>
He doesn't even have any 19s lol he only made this account two days ago because I hurt his feelings in WC. And I'm not really arguing with him, I'm arguing with Ag, and he's interjecting because I severely damaged his feelings and he passionately fan girls at every opportunity he gets to flame me, now.
OP
OP
Solipsist
They/Them
Yes, I have done the same. I could be rolling on my rogue right now deteriorating games but I care about the brackets health and want people to keep queuing. Heck I could even be playing my hunter, but the bracket needs more healers. I don't enjoy healing all the time. But for some instances if I wasn't in those games healing their would be 0 healers or my faction would get destroyed. I want this bracket to succeed. Like I've said before people will not want queue with the large population of rogues. The bracket is in a fragile state and we need to concentrate on its health. Other than what I've proposed here there is really no solution. People don't want to play against rogues, as you've seen stated here multiple times. Again i'm not talking about how OP they are, I'm talking about this
Yes, some of them did. How do we expand if we have a large population of rogues? I'm trying to expand, but we can't do that because of rogues.
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OP
OP
Solipsist
They/Them
Please me? No. Please the community and keep people motivated to queue.
I'd ask how mid degrades competition. Which it doesn't
Yîng
Legend
I agree with agonist 100%. Rogues make players not want to queue. If there's 5 rogues on 1 team, and like only 1 healer on the other, those 5 rogues will make the only healer leave. And basically all the rogues are a wasted slot, except for a select few ofc. I get that some have been playing rogue for years, but if they want the bracket to survive, they need to roll a different class.
The Saint
I won't like you
People who've played one particular character for 4-5 years aren't gonna stop just cuz it pisses you off mate, and I personally don't think they should.
The ones that has re-rolled rogue recently you have a point. But the ones that have mained rogues for years have as much right as anyone else to Q, probably more than some.
The ones that has re-rolled rogue recently you have a point. But the ones that have mained rogues for years have as much right as anyone else to Q, probably more than some.
OP
OP
Solipsist
They/Them
Look at the OP. If no one agreed with me then I wouldn't have bothered. If I was it was only me who was getting frustrated by this then I would just leave the bracket and do something else, but I care about the brackets health and want people to keep queuing. If rogues keep queuing like the way they are now than we will have no bracket.
The Saint
I won't like you
Community? Sounds like a dictatorship to me.
And I'd say the bracket as never been in such a inactive state since 3.5.5 went live.
But anyways, GL with the thread. Lets see how many actually care what you think. O/
Herald
Guest
yeah and after a while no one else wants to play and u have a dead bracket which is sounds like is what happened to eu
have fun repping that 2 flags returned since wotlk title for the rest of ur life while ur twink rots away in qitbb lmoam
Herald
Guest
umm yeah ur probly trolling again but the warrior i was carrying u on and topping damage in recoutn in WC was fucking level 19 bitch
OP
OP
Solipsist
They/Them
Me trying to help stabalize the bracket=Dictatorship.
Well, alot of people do if you look at OP.
The Saint
I won't like you
I can't help my self... I just like stupidity.
Swoops
Legend
The point of this thread isn't to ban rogues or attack everyone playing them. It's asking people who obviously care enough about the bracket to queue regularly to care about the quality of games.
I have to assume anyone who mentioned rolling healers and stacking stam to counter rogues doesn't heal in this bracket. No one here is complaining about the damage they do. Rogues on your team are usually a much bigger problem than the ones on the other team. This isn't about getting one shotted or having to face an OP class. It's about a one-dimensional class with no presence gimping their team and making their healers' lives miserable.
I don't care about people on my team getting globaled. Crazy burst potential can be pretty fun to heal against, it really keeps you on your toes. I do care about not having a team to heal. Its just not possible for a team to hold its ground with only 5 non-stealth players. I only see two options for a healer there - overextend into your rogues' range, get swapped to, die and watch your team wipe immediately or sit back and watch all the rogues die right after opening as our team gets pushed back.
1-2 rogues make games more interesting, too many of them make games awful. This isn't about banning rogues. It's asking the people playing them to use their brain. With too many rogues queueing, there won't be competitive games. Without competitive games, the bracket will die again. I noticed a fair number of hunters start focusing on other twinks, I don't see why so many rogues are getting stubborn and defensive when they're even worse for games.
TL;DR: too many rogues queue => healers are miserable => healers stop queueing or switch to DPS => games get worse => people stop queueing => rip
I have to assume anyone who mentioned rolling healers and stacking stam to counter rogues doesn't heal in this bracket. No one here is complaining about the damage they do. Rogues on your team are usually a much bigger problem than the ones on the other team. This isn't about getting one shotted or having to face an OP class. It's about a one-dimensional class with no presence gimping their team and making their healers' lives miserable.
I don't care about people on my team getting globaled. Crazy burst potential can be pretty fun to heal against, it really keeps you on your toes. I do care about not having a team to heal. Its just not possible for a team to hold its ground with only 5 non-stealth players. I only see two options for a healer there - overextend into your rogues' range, get swapped to, die and watch your team wipe immediately or sit back and watch all the rogues die right after opening as our team gets pushed back.
1-2 rogues make games more interesting, too many of them make games awful. This isn't about banning rogues. It's asking the people playing them to use their brain. With too many rogues queueing, there won't be competitive games. Without competitive games, the bracket will die again. I noticed a fair number of hunters start focusing on other twinks, I don't see why so many rogues are getting stubborn and defensive when they're even worse for games.
TL;DR: too many rogues queue => healers are miserable => healers stop queueing or switch to DPS => games get worse => people stop queueing => rip
FrozenWill
Legend
I dont see how calling everyone against your post a bad word is going to make them think twice about believing your opinion is credible or worthy of reading. And to be honest, I heard alot of the mods were strict on certain rules but im not sure how you havent recieved some infractions about your language towards other people man. And if I was a new twink looking for people to group up with on here, why would i chose the guy whose cussing everyone out? doesent that affect the bracket too? so since your "defending" the bracket from people who play rogues too much you might want to consider the fact that you are also making 19's look bad by saying all of this crap to people that doesent need to be said. Just calm down, like i told agonist, it is what it is, and cussing people out for no reason isent going to help at all.... if anything its making 19's look bad right now.
justpwn
washed up tink
I have a full gf bis rogue that was my first 19 and I haven't played it since half way through Cata cause of how many dipshits roll that class. Instead I rolled a healer...... So this dose happen people can see that rogues harm the bracket we all love. But the fact is allot of kids don't give a half a shit about what others think could help. This is the sad truth.