Rogues = Death of the Bracket

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I thought today would be a set of amazing games, but yet again we have matches filled with 5+ rogues and in most cases its the same people. I don't know how many times I need to say that rogues kill competition. Rogues use the argument ''We're getting contained, so I play rogue''. That's complete rubbish and you know it. The only reason you're getting pushed to the graveyard is because YOU are filling a dps/healer role which would help sustain mid. I have not seen a single game where a team gets pushed back right into the graveyard with no rogues this Summer. You rogues are killing the bracket and overall annoying the community to the point where we don't even want to queue anymore. If you want to one shot people, which you do 90% of the time then go to 24s or some other bracket. But if you want help this community and help competition, please for the love of Mary play or roll another class.


-The 19 Community.

I am not talking about how OP rogues are

what he is trying to say is:

Basically picture this scenario :
your team has 5+ stealthed shitters in mid and 5 nonstealthers vs a full nonstealth team.

-Midclash happens
-The stealthed shitters stay stealthed, essentially making it a 5vs10
-The nonstealthers get wiped and its game over at this point
-Containment + calling out targets

Agonist has a point, Rogues by far most annoying class in bg's atm, way to many of them. If things don't change. It will be the death of 19's once again.

EU suffer/have suffered from the exakt same. agonist is flawlessly correct. btw I find it amusing the same ppl that I've seen here on TI complain about gy-farming or containment, are the same ones that are persistently defending rogues' right to over populate and destruct the bgs

completely agree. Rogues was a one of many major reasons for EU dying (again)

i dont get how u can not realize that the reason why a team gets contained is almost always because of either a lack of healers or an abundance of rogues or a combination of the two. those rogues are taking valuable spots that could be filled by something viable like a healer. they sit in stealth while their teammates play at a huge disadvantage and get contained

I agree with agonist 100%. Rogues make players not want to queue. If there's 5 rogues on 1 team, and like only 1 healer on the other, those 5 rogues will make the only healer leave. And basically all the rogues are a wasted slot, except for a select few ofc. I get that some have been playing rogue for years, but if they want the bracket to survive, they need to roll a different class.

No, it's a select group of rogues constantly queuing everyday. I know 70% of those people have other classes .Heck even I have a rogue . I put alot of time into as well, but I will never play it because of how negative it is to this bracket. We need care about the brackets health more. Answer me this, would you rather keep queuing on a rogue continuously, degrading games and possibly making the bracket go inactive or would you lay down your weapons make another class and improve the quality of games, enhancing the brackets stability?
I mean does it really matter if you put alot of time into your rogue when the bracket dies?
The point of this thread isn't to ban rogues or attack everyone playing them. It's asking people who obviously care enough about the bracket to queue regularly to care about the quality of games.

I have to assume anyone who mentioned rolling healers and stacking stam to counter rogues doesn't heal in this bracket. No one here is complaining about the damage they do. Rogues on your team are usually a much bigger problem than the ones on the other team. This isn't about getting one shotted or having to face an OP class. It's about a one-dimensional class with no presence gimping their team and making their healers' lives miserable.

I don't care about people on my team getting globaled. Crazy burst potential can be pretty fun to heal against, it really keeps you on your toes. I do care about not having a team to heal. Its just not possible for a team to hold its ground with only 5 non-stealth players. I only see two options for a healer there - overextend into your rogues' range, get swapped to, die and watch your team wipe immediately or sit back and watch all the rogues die right after opening as our team gets pushed back.

1-2 rogues make games more interesting, too many of them make games awful. This isn't about banning rogues. It's asking the people playing them to use their brain. With too many rogues queueing, there won't be competitive games. Without competitive games, the bracket will die again. I noticed a fair number of hunters start focusing on other twinks, I don't see why so many rogues are getting stubborn and defensive when they're even worse for games.

TL;DR: too many rogues queue => healers are miserable => healers stop queueing or switch to DPS => games get worse => people stop queueing => rip
 
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completely agree. Rogues was a one of many major reasons for EU dying (again)
 
Yeah, my rogue does pretty much = death to the bracket lol.

id say ur one of the few if not only rogues that is actually good to have on a team. reason being most rogues will ambush on a target and many times not even land a kill and die within 10 seconds whereas u seem to be able to get away for a restealth about 90% of the time and almost always land a kill

rest of the rogues are practically useless and id say probably a quarter of them just sit in stealth the whole game and will only open maybe once or twice
 
I thought today would be a set of amazing games, but yet again we have matches filled with 5+ rogues and in most cases its the same people. I don't know how many times I need to say that rogues kill competition. Rogues use the argument ''We're getting contained, so I play rogue''. That's complete rubbish and you know it. The only reason you're getting pushed to the graveyard is because YOU are filling a dps/healer role which would help sustain mid. I have not seen a single game where a team gets pushed back right into the graveyard with no rogues this Summer. You rogues are killing the bracket and overall annoying the community to the point where we don't even want to queue anymore. If you want to one shot people, which you do 90% of the time then go to 24s or some other bracket. But if you want help this community and help competition, please for the love of Mary play or roll another class.


-The 19 Community.

A little extreme, but partially true - it's not rogues that are killing the bracket, it's people who nostalgically play old rogues/roll new rogues because rogues and hunters kind of symbolize twinking. Rogues gank, and twinking used to be all about ganking, ergo facto, people roll rogues/hunters.

Rogues aren't killing this bracket, the abundance of rogues is damaging the bracket, I think.

NB4 Herald's random going off on me again for no reason. <3
 
shouts out to the rogs using sf cuz they think its bis, this describes too many :( y'll take an L
 
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All classes have their moments. But I would have to agree that it's not the rogue class itself, it's the abundance of rogues.
Getting 5 hunters can be just as bad, if not even worse.
If you play your rogue properly, you are just as good in the team as anyone else can be.
I myself play a rogue, and bitched out this guy not helping us kill the EFC after asking multiple times. He was literally waiting near the mid, ambushing who ever had 10% hp, running to healers, and repeating.

Anyways, I see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't just blame the class. Find out who's playing garbage and single them out. They are the ones to blame ;)
 
A little extreme, but partially true - it's not rogues that are killing the bracket, it's people who nostalgically play old rogues/roll new rogues because rogues and hunters kind of symbolize twinking. Rogues gank, and twinking used to be all about ganking, ergo facto, people roll rogues/hunters.

Rogues aren't killing this bracket, the abundance of rogues is damaging the bracket, I think.

NB4 Herald's random going off on me again for no reason. <3

if the abundance of rogues is killing the bracket then that means that rogues are killing the bracket because of this u fucking mongoloid
 
All classes have their moments. But I would have to agree that it's not the rogue class itself, it's the abundance of rogues.
Getting 5 hunters can be just as bad, if not even worse.
If you play your rogue properly, you are just as good in the team as anyone else can be.
I myself play a rogue, and bitched out this guy not helping us kill the EFC after asking multiple times. He was literally waiting near the mid, ambushing who ever had 10% hp, running to healers, and repeating.

5 hunters is better than 5 rogues any day no matter what team ur on

problem is literally the only person who plays rogue properly is mythical the rest die as soon as they ambush

Anyways, I see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't just blame the class. Find out who's playing garbage and single them out. They are the ones to blame ;)

since ya asked for it, here you go

For starters, YOU. yes, YOU.

Dodgeyou
Mepsi
Basedxibalba
Tiptoe
Kalyntha
Sylenthe
Ambushurface
Gouldjcrew
Maloof
Toxxicstab

thats just off the top of my head

you can bet any shitter rogue from medicinal will make the list
 
5 hunters is better than 5 rogues any day no matter what team ur on

problem is literally the only person who plays rogue properly is mythical the rest die as soon as they ambush



since ya asked for it, here you go

For starters, YOU. yes, YOU.

Dodgeyou
Mepsi
Basedxibalba
Tiptoe
Kalyntha
Sylenthe
Ambushurface
Gouldjcrew
Maloof
Toxxicstab

thats just off the top of my head

you can bet any shitter rogue from medicinal will make the list

You literally don't know anything about this bracket, no one knows who you are or why you are so angry and aggressive all the time, and you're plain obnoxious. I hope you will soon come to the realization that you, and the things you post, are worthless and hollow; and I hope that this realization will help you to refrain from your futile attempts to be a part of this bracket.
 
You literally don't know anything about this bracket, no one knows who you are or why you are so angry and aggressive all the time, and you're plain obnoxious. I hope you will soon come to the realization that you, and the things you post, are worthless and hollow; and I hope that this realization will help you to refrain from your futile attempts to be a part of this bracket.

i hope u will eventually come to the realization that ur awful at this game in general and will never be good

and that rogues are useless but i guess people with small brain like u need to take baby steps so lets just start with the fact that u are god fucking awful
 
5 hunters is better than 5 rogues any day no matter what team ur on

problem is literally the only person who plays rogue properly is mythical the rest die as soon as they ambush



since ya asked for it, here you go

For starters, YOU. yes, YOU.

Dodgeyou
Mepsi
Basedxibalba
Tiptoe
Kalyntha
Sylenthe
Ambushurface
Gouldjcrew
Maloof
Toxxicstab

thats just off the top of my head

you can bet any shitter rogue from medicinal will make the list

And who are you?
 
I thought today would be a set of amazing games, but yet again we have matches filled with 5+ rogues and in most cases its the same people. I don't know how many times I need to say that rogues kill competition. Rogues use the argument ''We're getting contained, so I play rogue''. That's complete rubbish and you know it. The only reason you're getting pushed to the graveyard is because YOU are filling a dps/healer role which would help sustain mid. I have not seen a single game where a team gets pushed back right into the graveyard with no rogues this Summer. You rogues are killing the bracket and overall annoying the community to the point where we don't even want to queue anymore. If you want to one shot people, which you do 90% of the time then go to 24s or some other bracket. But if you want help this community and help competition, please for the love of Mary play or roll another class.


-The 19 Community.

You just inspired me to make a rogue!
 
A little extreme, but partially true - it's not rogues that are killing the bracket, it's people who nostalgically play old rogues/roll new rogues because rogues and hunters kind of symbolize twinking. Rogues gank, and twinking used to be all about ganking, ergo facto, people roll rogues/hunters.

Rogues aren't killing this bracket, the abundance of rogues is damaging the bracket, I think.

NB4 Herald's random going off on me again for no reason. <3

I don't see how I'm being extreme here. I feel I'm being perfectly reasonable. People are leaving the bracket because of this problem. Herald is completely right when he says ''if the abundance of rogues is killing the bracket then that means that rogues are killing the bracket''. People should care about the health of this bracket. Playing a rogue is equivalent to being selfish as you're essentially ruining fun for everybody else.
 

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