F2P twink vs 19 twink

The 19, because the average skill level in this bracket is so much lower.
 
Depending on skill, the F2P. Because F2P's can already stand toe-to-toe with 24's. Opponent being level 19 just makes it easier.
 
my 2 cents.F2ps get outclassed by everyone(a 14 can win against them)

the 19s bracket have 45% crits and more ap than a f2p
just a little comparison thingy.

14

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/medivh/Hórdesèason/advanced
1.2k life.A bit more AP..almost 50% crits


19
Pìzza @ Bleeding Hollow - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

more ap than a f2p, double the crits

f2p
Lofi @ Aerie Peak - Game Guide - World of Warcraft ( i remember having 314 ap, and exactly 23 crits with dual wicked daggers with 1742 life due to mining )

the 24
Backpeddlejk @ Blackrock - Game Guide - World of Warcraft
510+ap , 29 crit

so ..no matter what amount of skill and skeying i might have/do.The 19 or the 24 will simply outclass your f2p twink.Same goes for priests/rets/etc. The 14s have more crits and AP/intellect.whatever...i wont even go into 19s and 24s. The end.

I beat a 19 twink in darkmoonfaire.
 
19 twink hands down. The average skill level in 19s is dramatically higher than the 20-24 bracket. Additionally the enchants add alot more to a toon than the lvl 20 gear pieces.
 
Why is this even being debated? If you can't see the difference between a 19 and a 20...
 
I would put my money on the 19 twink.

More accessible enchants such as 100 HP to chest instead of 15 and 15 Agility/22 Intellect/29 Spell Power to Weapons instead of +3 Intellect/+3 Weapon Damage.

More accessible items such as the heirloomed helmet and cloak.

There are probably many other advantages to the 19 twink while the only advantage 20 has is that one level but that's not enough for the 19 to change their build for additional hit rating.
 
No?

You can do both Blackfathom Deeps, and Stockades at 19. The minimum level for entry is level 15, for both of them

But the 19 can't equip anything from BFD otherwise they would already have BFD items equipped? Again, 20's can beat 24's, so they can also beat 19's. Skillcap on 19's is lower because they faceroll high-end enchants and their bracket is so bursty they don't get time to learn how to play because they're so used to their targets dying in 2-4 seconds that they don't NEED to know how to play. That's the problem with P2P and where this game is heading in general, The general population of the game doesn't need to know how to play to do well.

The better question, is; On toons with the same gear, same level, same class, Who would win, the person who's played 19's or the person who's played F2P? F2P should win every time, because again, F2P actually requires knowing how to play your class. That's why all these new players bitch so much about the bracket because F2P 20's is the only bracket in this game that doesn't give you instant gratification aside from the hunter class.
 
But the 19 can't equip anything from BFD otherwise they would already have BFD items equipped? Again, 20's can beat 24's, so they can also beat 19's. Skillcap on 19's is lower because they faceroll high-end enchants and their bracket is so bursty they don't get time to learn how to play because they're so used to their targets dying in 2-4 seconds that they don't NEED to know how to play. That's the problem with P2P and where this game is heading in general, The general population of the game doesn't need to know how to play to do well.

The better question, is; On toons with the same gear, same level, same class, Who would win, the person who's played 19's or the person who's played F2P? F2P should win every time, because again, F2P actually requires knowing how to play your class. That's why all these new players bitch so much about the bracket because F2P 20's is the only bracket in this game that doesn't give you instant gratification aside from the hunter class.

Have you actually played in 19s?
 
Yes, not that 19's TODAY is any indication of how the bracket used to play. /ROGUEHUNTERLAWLBRACKETRUINED

But like, 2-3 other posters everything you say is correct so just say my opinion is void regardless. Because this is such a wonderful community.
 
Yes, not that 19's TODAY is any indication of how the bracket used to play. /ROGUEHUNTERLAWLBRACKETRUINED

But like, 2-3 other posters everything you say is correct so just say my opinion is void regardless. Because this is such a wonderful community.

No; I am by no means correct in everything I say - only most of the time. :D

Your post made me think you had not actually played the 15-19 bracket... I reckon I was incorrect.

I honestly haven't played 19s in about a year - and back then the average skill level was WAAAAY higher than the 20-24 bracket of today.

I guess I am spoiled as I got to play with/against some of the greats from years past (Painade, Jericho, Drayner, Walle, Bactatank, etc).

This is not to say I was anything special ... then or now.

I just had exposure to some very talented players and it's shaped(warped?) my standards of excellent low level pvp gameplay.
 
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But the 19 can't equip anything from BFD otherwise they would already have BFD items equipped? Again, 20's can beat 24's, so they can also beat 19's. Skillcap on 19's is lower because they faceroll high-end enchants and their bracket is so bursty they don't get time to learn how to play because they're so used to their targets dying in 2-4 seconds that they don't NEED to know how to play. That's the problem with P2P and where this game is heading in general, The general population of the game doesn't need to know how to play to do well.

The better question, is; On toons with the same gear, same level, same class, Who would win, the person who's played 19's or the person who's played F2P? F2P should win every time, because again, F2P actually requires knowing how to play your class. That's why all these new players bitch so much about the bracket because F2P 20's is the only bracket in this game that doesn't give you instant gratification aside from the hunter class.

When I play 19s I don't need to worry about fake casting for no reason. When I play f2p I do. The "best" of f2p twinks are no better or no worse than the "best" of 19s. However, median skill level is SIGNIFICANTLY lower. Most of the time I agree with a lot of your posts but that's not too great of an argument. Besides, a large portion of the 19s playing now have played since at least wrath or even BC/Vanilla and DO know how to play.If anything a lot of the new f2p are at a disadvantage because they're the ones who are actually learning to play in such a bursty bracket where things like movement and positioning are so downplayed. On the other hand, a lot of 19s learned to play in periods of WoW when those things were central to 19 game play. Now, they're just adapting and applying those to stupid cata WoW.
 
Completely OT - Gratz on 1k posts Jdoring.
 

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