EU+US 20's (Veteran & F2P) Tier List - BFA 8.3

:p Really just digging too deep now. Elemental is dog shit... its not like everybody came to that conclusion in a day... its been over a year. It was dog shit then... it's dog shit now. It does not do 1 single thing better than Resto... not one. The entire "burst" concept of Earthshock is just terrible as that burst compared to real big dick damage from other burst classes is just laughable. IF you have malestrom... IF you are a full vet twink with glass cannon enchants... IF you get a crit... it is just not good. Quite frankly getting two crits in a row on your resto is going to do more damage than the watered down elemental damage + an earth-shock in the same amount of time. It is just not good. Please let this nonsense TROLL shit die.

Showing 100k plus damage on a glass cannon elemental from a pubstomp does not show anything... if the game goes on long enough and there are not that many other better twinks taking your kills quickly and early flame shock damage from a Vet with enchants will get you there alone... that DOES NOT mean elemental is not dog shit. If the same circumstances show up you can also probably do that on a shockadin... that does not mean shockadins are going to roll out hard on average.
Saying that it's dog shit is just false information, you're wrong. It's better than a large amount of specs in the bracket.

It does explosive damage better than resto, and serves as a tanky front line to counter mages (which I'm sure has already been said in this thread I just haven't been keeping up with it) with it's ranged kick and off heals. An rsham can't overextend like an ele can because the rest of the team will suffer while the ele doesn't have the responsibility of keeping their team alive (although the off heals help tremendously.) If the enemy team has an IQ of 50 at least as soon as they see an rsham over extending they'll nuke it.

In long fights where they're able to build maelstrom it has some of the most explosive damage in the bracket, comparable to an aimed shot. They're good target callers too.

It has the exact same kit as resto, ranged kick and a slow, it literally can't be bad.
 
Saying that it's dog shit is just false information, you're wrong. It's better than a large amount of specs in the bracket.

It does explosive damage better than resto, and serves as a tanky front line to counter mages (which I'm sure has already been said in this thread I just haven't been keeping up with it) with it's ranged kick and off heals. An rsham can't overextend like an ele can because the rest of the team will suffer while the ele doesn't have the responsibility of keeping their team alive (although the off heals help tremendously.) If the enemy team has an IQ of 50 at least as soon as they see an rsham over extending they'll nuke it.

In long fights where they're able to build maelstrom it has some of the most explosive damage in the bracket, comparable to an aimed shot. They're good target callers too.

It has the exact same kit as resto, ranged kick and a slow, it literally can't be bad.
imagine being this delusional
 
Updated 7/25/20.


In light of a recent thread requesting a more detailed "Tier List" for the Vet/F2P bracket, I've compiled the below general guidelines based on common feedback.

**This is primarily a tier list for Battlegrounds - performance in Arenas is not considered here.**

There are, admittedly, many variables to an accurate tier list. The below "Assumptions" are outlined under each list and are assuming an optimal gear set-up and a balanced team comp with equally-skilled players.

The ordering of each bullet under a particular Tier is arbitrary; specs within a given Tier can be reordered interchangeably based on the composition and needs of the team comp.

I will do my best to update these lists regularly with each patch and expac - if you disagree with anything here, please leave your feedback and if the general consensus agrees with you, I'll update it accordingly!




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Tier List - Veterans

Assumptions:
  1. BiS Gear & Enchants.
    1. (Without BiS Gear & important Enchants like "Crusader" and "Superior Impact", melee specs (Fury, Arms, Ret) and "Weapon Damage Specs" (i.e. those that benefit disproportionately from +weapon damage enchants and modifiers like MM, Surv, Feral, etc.) fall lower on the Tier List.)
  2. Well-rounded Team Composition with Healer Support.
    1. (Without Healer Support, specs lacking self-sustain (Warrior, Hunter, Mage, etc.) fall lower on the Tier List.)
  3. Equally-skilled Players.

S Tier (Best In The Bracket):
  • Balance Druid
  • Restoration Druid
  • Restoration Shaman

A Tier (Better Than Average):
  • Arcane Mage
  • Discipline Priest
  • Fury Warrior
  • Holy Priest
  • Marksmanship Hunter
  • Mistweaver Monk
  • Outlaw Rogue

B Tier (Average):
  • Arms Warrior
  • Beast Mastery Hunter
  • Destruction Warlock
  • Elemental Shaman
  • Feral Druid
  • Holy Paladin
  • Retribution Paladin
  • Shadow Priest
  • Survival Hunter

C Tier (Worse Than Average):
  • Demonology Warlock
  • Enhancement Shaman
  • Frost Mage
  • Protection Paladin
  • Subtlety Rogue
  • Windwalker Monk

D Tier (Worst in the Bracket):
  • Affliction Warlock
  • Assassination Rogue
  • Brewmaster Monk
  • Fire Mage
  • Guardian Druid
  • Protection Warrior



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Tier List - F2P

Assumptions:
  1. BiS Gear with Optimal Secondary Stats
    1. (F2P does not have access to important enchants like "Crusader" and "Superior Impact" and, as such, certain specs like Fury, Arms, Ret and Feral have dropped on the Tier List when compared to the Veteran rankings.)
  2. Well-rounded Team Composition with Healer Support.
    1. (Without Healer Support, specs lacking self-sustain (Warrior, Hunter, Mage, etc.) fall lower on the Tier List.)
  3. Equally-skilled Players.

S Tier (Best In The Bracket):
  • Balance Druid
  • Restoration Druid
  • Restoration Shaman

A Tier (Better Than Average):
  • Arcane Mage
  • Discipline Priest
  • Holy Priest
  • Marksmanship Hunter
  • Mistweaver Monk
  • Outlaw Rogue

B Tier (Average):
  • Beast Mastery Hunter
  • Destruction Warlock
  • Elemental Shaman
  • Holy Paladin
  • Shadow Priest
  • Survival Hunter

C Tier (Worse Than Average):
  • Demonology Warlock
  • Enhancement Shaman
  • Feral Druid
  • Frost Mage
  • Protection Paladin
  • Retribution Paladin
  • Subtlety Rogue
  • Windwalker Monk

D Tier (Worst in the Bracket):
  • Affliction Warlock
  • Arms Warrior
  • Assassination Rogue
  • Brewmaster Monk
  • Fire Mage
  • Fury Warrior
  • Guardian Druid
  • Protection Warrior
I think fury should be s tier my fury is nuts at dps in batttle grounds I can easily run thru anything
 
I think fury should be s tier my fury is nuts at dps in batttle grounds I can easily run thru anything
The problem with fury (and arms) is that in order for it to rip through entire teams like it can it has dependencies. The specs in S tier don't rely on really anything in order to have a major impact on the game.
 
y'all cant solo q like i do
 

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You guys make me want to play but my labtop broke so now i just play runescape on my phone. :,(
 
:p Really just digging too deep now. Elemental is dog shit... its not like everybody came to that conclusion in a day... its been over a year. It was dog shit then... it's dog shit now. It does not do 1 single thing better than Resto... not one. The entire "burst" concept of Earthshock is just terrible as that burst compared to real big dick damage from other burst classes is just laughable. IF you have malestrom... IF you are a full vet twink with glass cannon enchants... IF you get a crit... it is just not good. Quite frankly getting two crits in a row on your resto is going to do more damage than the watered down elemental damage + an earth-shock in the same amount of time. It is just not good. Please let this nonsense TROLL shit die.

Showing 100k plus damage on a glass cannon elemental from a pubstomp does not show anything... if the game goes on long enough and there are not that many other better twinks taking your kills quickly and early flame shock damage from a Vet with enchants will get you there alone... that DOES NOT mean elemental is not dog shit. If the same circumstances show up you can also probably do that on a shockadin... that does not mean shockadins are going to roll out hard on average.

I love how irrelevant players are adding there opinions to this thread lol - if no one knows who you play in the 20 bracket/doesnt know your twinks name, please backspace your comments because you just talking out your ass. Also - lol again if you aint active in the bracket please take yourself off this discussion because you just sound stupid. People that don't even play the class feel like they are experts #Faketwinksbelike.
 
I love how irrelevant players are adding there opinions to this thread lol - if no one knows who you play in the 20 bracket/doesnt know your twinks name, please backspace your comments because you just talking out your ass. Also - lol again if you aint active in the bracket please take yourself off this discussion because you just sound stupid. People that don't even play the class feel like they are experts #Faketwinksbelike.

To be fair theres like 5 buttons max, it's not rocket science dude.
 
To be fair theres like 5 buttons max, it's not rocket science dude.

Exactly and people are still dog shit in this bracket and it gets me so tense where I just have to krack up and chop up some onions and later just hop on my hvnter to do the zazzy on some pows while wearing neon boots. Ugh This bracket is such a joke and anyone writing on this thread must like easy activities
 

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